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Posted by JumpCrisscross 10/22/2024

Meta Bans Accounts Tracking Private Jets for Zuckerberg, Musk(www.bloomberg.com)
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draw_down 10/22/2024|
https://xkcd.com/1357/
tasty_freeze 10/22/2024||
Why did you post that comic? Is anybody confusing first amendment rights for what happened here? The point is that Zuckerberg has made a killing collecting data on people at a scale never seen before, and he dresses it up as "connecting people". But when someone collects HIS data, then needs to be removed the the extent he can.

Musk is an even more obvious case of hypocrisy. The "free speech absolutist" is very selective about when it applies.

emmelaich 10/23/2024|||
> dresses it up as 'connecting people'

What? That's literally why people use Facebook.

tasty_freeze 10/23/2024|||
The question is about Zuckerberg's purpose. Does he need to collect all the data he does to connect people? No, he collects the data because he can monetize it. Connecting people is incidental. Does Facebook really need to know that you spent money buying adult diapers in order to help you see pictures of your niece across country or locate the old high school classmate that popped into your mind?

That is why I said "dressing it up" - is is a pretext for his primary goal.

johnnyanmac 10/23/2024|||
In the same way Tinder "lets you find dates", I suppose so.
draw_down 10/23/2024|||
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Terr_ 10/22/2024|||
Without additional context, that seems like a defense of Meta, however there's a further distinction to be made between:

1. The entity can not legally do X.

2. The entity can legally do X, but they're engaging in lies/hypocrisy/favoritism and deserves to be roundly called out for being a bad actor.

ninth_ant 10/22/2024||
Musk and Zuckerberg have both allowed vile content to thrive and spread on their platforms under the guise of allowing free speech.

Banning people from sharing links to public tracking data demonstrates that their commitment to speech is extremely shallow. This suggests that despite their claims, supporting free speech was never a priority on their platforms, and was simply cover for allowing content which helped metrics or aligned with their political goals.

draw_down 10/23/2024||
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girdie 10/23/2024||
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stonethrowaway 10/22/2024||
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b3ing 10/23/2024||
Can't let people know about their new "Epstein replacement" but honestly there were probably 10 others this whole time even when Epstein's was alive
hggigg 10/22/2024||
I await the first decentralised flight tracking platform.
RIMR 10/22/2024|
Your wait is over: https://adsbexchange.com/
Hbruz0 10/22/2024|||
Not completely decentralised, as the data is aggregated to one party, the website. Individuals can't access every contributor's data
cruffle_duffle 10/22/2024||
Sure but I’m pretty sure if that site goes to shit all the contributors will just point their ADSB hardware to somewhere else.
hggigg 10/22/2024||||
Wow that was quick. I probably should have googled it first!
1oooqooq 10/22/2024|||
collection is distributed...
mgiampapa 10/22/2024||
If I took public pictures of someone in NYC from the myriad of public cameras, made a social media feed of their actions and locations, how would this not be cyber-bullying?
ceejayoz 10/22/2024||
Google “twitter celebrity sightings” and you’ll find this to already be a thing.
kstrauser 10/23/2024||
The notion that you could cyber-bully a billionaire is fascinating.
mgiampapa 10/23/2024||
Really, I don't think anyone should be cyber-bullied. Billionaire or not. It's simply not a thing that you should do to anyone.
s5300 10/23/2024||
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fallingknife 10/22/2024|
Why do people care about this? For what legitimate purpose does anyone need to be able to track the location of another person? Every platform has rules against posting people's addresses and nobody has anything against that, but as soon as this comes up people are worried about censorship.
sqeaky 10/22/2024||
Tracking the person is a side effect, this is all about tracking the CO2 emissions and comparing to public statements that people made about that.
BurningFrog 10/22/2024|||
I really doubt it's that noble. Those planes emit a nano-percent of all CO2.

Pretty sure it's just Zuck haters trying to annoy Zuck.

sqeaky 10/23/2024||
Wtf?! These accounts often link to shit like billionaires saying people need to use paper straws or set their AC hotter at the same time.
Gee101 10/22/2024||||
Or it's just interesting information that the person creating the tracking account can make some money off.
realce 10/22/2024||
Two things can be true at the same time.
IncreasePosts 10/22/2024||||
You can track CO2 emissions without stating where the plane is or was.
sqeaky 10/23/2024||
The stuff is gathered from public flight records, it's just the easiest way to present the data. Just like it's getting pushed back from you now it would get pushed back from climate change deniers saying we don't know how you computed it if they computed instead of just presenting a distance and accepting that the number is going to be a huge amount of CO2
FL33TW00D 10/22/2024||||
Do people honestly think the CO2 emissions of his private jet are consequential?
II2II 10/22/2024|||
I recall an article comparing CO2 emissions of private jets verses commercial airlines a couple of years back. A bunch of assumptions were made, but the rough figure was five times higher per passenger mile. When you consider that people who use private jets are likely flying more than those who use commercial airlines, and that individuals are being asked to make sacrifices for the sake of reducing CO2 emissions, then yes it is consequential.
FL33TW00D 10/23/2024||
Aviation contributes 2.5% of the global CO2 emissions per year.

The decisions Mark makes are more consequential than his private jet usage.

yarg 10/22/2024||||
No - they think there's a palpable disconnect between the public environmental statements made by men like Zuck, and the way that they themselves behave.

It's to illustrate the hypocrisy.

browningstreet 10/22/2024||||
They absolutely are.
greenchair 10/22/2024|||
yes mostly kamala supporters
gdhkgdhkvff 10/23/2024|||
Give me a break. For every person that actually truly cares about this, there are a hundred people here that pretend to care because it gives them a high horse excuse to dunk on people they hate. I’d bet good money that almost every person here pretending the reason they care is the carbon emissions only thought of the carbon emissions after already being happy about the trackers and then seeing the parent comment giving them a proper moral high ground reason to fuel their hatred.
SoftTalker 10/22/2024|||
Conversely why does anyone care to keep their address private? There used to be a book that almost everyone had, updated every year, that listed the name, address, and phone number of almost everyone in town.

Yes, you could be "unlisted" (for a fee) but that was not really considered normal.

AStonesThrow 10/22/2024|||
City directories often carried more information than that, such as people's occupations, etc.

And, newspapers of all sizes carried personal information in blurbs, such as "John Smith is in town for 3 days, visiting with relatives here."

However, when the Sexual Revolution kicked in, it became customary for women in the 1970s and later to conceal their identities in White Pages listings, and request listings of simply "J. Smith", if they were listed at all. Because otherwise, the White Pages were a good "shopping list" for obscene/prank phone callers.

KeepFlying 10/22/2024||||
Personally it feels weirder to have my address public today because it's too freely available across the world. Sure, someone back in the days of the yellow pages would still be able to get to me, but it would probably involve a bit more work of tracking what city I'm in then getting their hands on the book.

Now with it being digital it's too easy to casually find and abuse. The barrier to access is a lot lower.

II2II 10/22/2024||
Oddly enough, the information is just as available to businesses today yet it is less available to individuals. The digital databases have existed for decades. Certainly longer than the Internet as a publicly accessible network. Yet the phone books, that were accessible to anyone, no longer exist. (I also believe that cost of phone books were included in the price of telephone service, which meant that they were "free" for most households.)

(And, for the sake of accuracy, the yellow pages were a business directory that companies paid for higher profile ads. The white pages were the directory of individuals.)

johnnyanmac 10/23/2024||||
Internet ruined that idea. As well as a few high profile stalking cases. It's sad, but I'm sure it wasn't a surprise to various Sci-fi authors at the time.

Good thing people don't live on a plane, and ports (private or public) aren't just places you get to walk up to with a gun. That's all the information we get.

rpgwaiter 10/22/2024|||
- Avoiding unsolicited spam/ads

- Safety (never know when you might get fame/notoriety)

15155 10/22/2024|||
Airspace is a public resource and aircraft transponder data are not entitled to privacy.
IncreasePosts 10/22/2024|||
Likewise, property records is a public resource (at least where I'm from), but it would still be considered doxxing to post someones address you found via public records.
15155 10/23/2024|||
What is "doxxing," legally?

I'm not aware of any statutes in the United States that codify or prohibit "doxxing." Europe might have something to say on this matter, but in the United States, "doxxing" is just a colloquialism: it's not a crime.

Private companies are welcome to prohibit this behavior from areas under their dominion if that's desirable, but no civil nor criminal action may be levied against someone disclosing truthful, publicly-available information.

gruez 10/23/2024|||
>but it would still be considered doxxing to post someones address you found via public records.

"doxxing" doesn't have a clear definition. It could mean anywhere between "posting personal information, however obtained" and "posting non-public personal information", which makes this statement questionable.

kstrauser 10/23/2024|||
Yep. His plane is literally broadcasting "HI, I'M ZUCKERBERG'S PLANE" to anyone with the gear to listen.
islewis 10/22/2024|||
The motivation for these accounts is usually a rift on the "ultra-wealth is bad" train.

Setting aside any possible agreements/disagreements with that, the flight tracking information is freely public, available to anyone who wants to look- go on flightaware. Flight information has never been private, nobody treats it as private, so why would social media* companies pretend it is? I don't think home addresses are that comparable in this situation.

EDIT: company name

627467 10/22/2024||
Is the ownership information as public? Possibly it is, but the implication that specific people are on a given flight seems NOT public information. Or maybe the problem here is that these ultra wealthy people are wealthy enough to one a couple of planes but not enough to own so many that it would be hard to tell if they are flying at all.

I don't know. To me this feels the equivalent of having paparazzo permanently on your tail. I know, it's just a ultrarich person, they don't need our defending. Just feels like like a overkill method of accountability to make a tail visible and available for all to see all the time

ryandrake 10/22/2024||
The below applies to the USA:

Aircraft are (in general) required to transmit ADS-B information in the clear over RF that contains information identifying the aircraft.

Aircraft registrations are public. You can go to the FAA[1] and look up who owns what airplane and what their address is. Some aircraft owners choose to obfuscate their ownership through shell companies or LLCs.

Passenger manifests are collected by the FAA for airlines and charter flights, but they are not made available to the public.

So you can know who owns the plane that's flying over your antenna, but not who's on it.

1: https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certifica...

emtel 10/23/2024|||
As far as I can tell the level of analysis being applied here is "Zuck is bad, therefore tracking his plane is good, therefore banning anyone who tracks his plane is bad."
jcgrillo 10/22/2024||
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