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Posted by bwidlar 10/23/2024

The Anvil Text Editor(anvil-editor.net)
127 points | 106 commentspage 2
lexoj 10/24/2024|
I opened my project with Anvil on a mac (without mouse) and I cant figure out how to open a local file. Skimming through docs and I didnt find it. A video would have been very useful here.
mkovach 10/24/2024||
Interesting. I don't know if it will distract me from Acme, but I will try. I'm unsure if I am ready for a rest API interface when the 9p interface to Acme works so well.
anta40 10/26/2024||
I'm on M2 Mac (Sonoma 14.5). How to run this?

./anvil

[1] 25270 killed ./anvil

chmod +x, xattr -dr com.apple.quarantine etc don't work.

hdb2 10/24/2024||
I know this is a minor gripe, but something isn't right with the https version of this site.
jimbob45 10/25/2024|
Yeah, the site flagged as malware for me.
deagle50 10/24/2024||
The window management looks great but going back to mouse-driven input is a non starter for me. Anvil with vim motions would be interesting.
andrewshadura 10/24/2024||
I’m not convinced Snarf is still a good name for any function in any piece of software these days. Or ever was, to be honest.
tempfile 10/24/2024||
It got that name from Acme. I don't think it's any worse than "yank", which most of us continue to put up with.
andrewshadura 10/24/2024|||
I know it has. That's why I said "still". To be honest, yank is also not great. Both terms were invented back in the day the industry hasn't settled yet on copy and paste. For new software, choosing such names is counter-productive.
lynx23 10/24/2024|||
One (kill) ring to find them...
major505 10/24/2024|||
Snarf always remembers me of the Thundercats pet.
fatboy 10/24/2024|||
Such a great theme tune. That scream from mumm-ra is the icing on the cake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooVDv8kuzXY

gcanyon 10/24/2024|||
Wow, something I didn't know was in my brain, and you found it. Snarf!
nanna 10/24/2024|||
Yeah definitely should be something modern and respectable like Hugging Face
kookamamie 10/24/2024||
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globular-toast 10/24/2024||
I read it more as a comment on the library itself, not the UIs that you can create with it.

But, in any case, I find this beautiful because not a single line is wasted on anything that isn't text, yet I can easily see what is what without it hurting my eyes.

2143 10/24/2024|||
Isn't that what's meant by "functional"?
submeta 10/24/2024|
We have Emacs/vim at one end of the spectrum and VS Code at the other. What else do we need? At this point I feel like these poor souls waste a lot of their energy to develop something that has perfect solutions already out there. Or you need to come up with something that totally transcends the way we write (ascii) text.
OmarAssadi 10/24/2024||
I did already write my own comment trying to ask about the goals and state of Anvil when compared to Acme. That said, RE: "Emacs/Vim on one end and VS Code on the other" and "... you need to come up with something totally transcends the way we write" -- the latter is actually the reason why I was genuinely curious.

I haven't had the time to give Acme a proper try myself, so who knows whether I'd hate it or love it or what, but it only took a few minutes of Russ Cox's little introduction video [1] on Acme for me to go, "Whoa, that is unique"; half the concepts gave me a near-instant visceral feeling of simultaneously being disturbed yet also somehow delighted.

I am really unhappy with the direction of modern UI design, and much of software in general, but sometimes I wonder how much of my feelings are truly objective, how much is my own bias, and how I would feel if I grew up in a totally different environment with different stuff. I've kind of always been curious in that sense, if you took a group of people who somehow had been totally isolated from not only computers and software, but our various cultural biases, what would they find to be the most intuitive, and what sort of things would they come up with?

In a similar sense, for better or for worse, that is almost how I felt seeing Russ use Acme; it looked like an editor built by aliens for other gremlin-like aliens.

I can't confirm or deny whether the aliens are right about their editing paradigm, but it is at least something much closer to "transcending the way we write (ascii) text" than most, and so it's cool to see Anvil is at least drawing inspiration from that rather than, say, yet another VS Code.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP1xVpMPn8M

reportgunner 10/25/2024||
Maybe one of these will grow into emacs+vim+vs code and make them obsolete ? We didn't just spawn in with computers having vs code emacs or vim already installed you know.