Posted by sbuttgereit 4 days ago
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For very long our justice system has operated under the principle that Law enforcement cannot catch every criminal and we shouldn't even try, instead we need to make an "example" out of every criminal we do catch to deter enough of the percentage of the population to make crime not a problem. This leads to aggressive prosecution [1]. Now as blowback, justifiably, we've started under-prosecuting and an overburdened (and frankly quiet quitting) police force catches no criminals, even simple traffic crime in major cities is basically not policed [2]
As a resident of Oakland, California, I find this kind of technology a decent middle-ground. I'd like to be able to catch a decent percentage of criminals so as to make crime statistically pointless.I'd love for someone to explore expanded "digital" warrant courts and civilian oversight commissions instead of preemptive blanket ban of this technology via lawsuit.
[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/09-1233.ZO.html
[2] https://sfstandard.com/2023/07/01/ask-the-standard-san-franc...
"REQUEST FOR RELIEF
Plaintiffs respectfully request that the Court issue judgment against Defendants as follows:
a. Declaring that Defendants’ policies and customs described in this Complaint are unlawful and violate the Fourth Amendment (incorporated through the Fourteenth Amendment) to the U.S. Constitution;
b. Permanently enjoining Defendants from operating the Flock Cameras;
c. Ordering Defendants to delete all images, records, and other data generated by the Flock Cameras;
d. Permanently enjoining Defendants and their officers, employees, agents, and any others acting on their behalf from using the Flock Cameras to collect images or information without first obtaining a warrant based on probable cause;
e. Permanently enjoining Defendants and their officers, employees, agents, and any others acting on their behalf from accessing any images, records, or other data generated by the Flock Cameras without first obtaining a warrant based on probable cause;
f. Awarding Plaintiffs’ counsel reasonable attorneys’ fees and litigation costs, including but not limited to fees, costs, and disbursements pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1988; and
g. Ordering all other relief to which Plaintiffs are entitled, regardless of whether such relief is demanded in this Complaint."
You could argue that point b is a blanket ban, but in fact it's kinda limited: it asks to prohibit the city from operating the cameras, but says nothing of any other party operating them. All the other points simply ask for the city to be required to obtain a warrant, just like it would have to do under normal circumstances.
We really don't need this much hand-wringing, the solution seems pretty straightforward.
That's not at all what's going to happen. I don't think we have reason to believe it's going to significantly reduce crime let alone make it "statistically pointless."
What it will do is, you know, conduct mass surveillance. This technology will support the policing doctrine that everybody is a criminal suspect. That means you are a criminal suspect, and the police will watch you, and if they want to, they'll stop or arrest you for something or other. You don't need to be dangerous to anyone, that's irrelevant. Just vulnerable. And this tech makes you more vulnerable.
Is that a price worth paying for a pipe dream of safety?
As long as there are enough judges for swift action.
No. Just normal warrants for surveillance like always, and ban "warrantless" subscriptions to data sources that might be used to investigate or prosecute crime.
Here's a New York Times article for today "As Election Nears, Kelly Warns Trump Would Rule Like a Dictator"
And you want warrantless broad spectrum surveillance to prevent crime.
Total population control has been here for years now.