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Posted by itvision 10/23/2024

Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted(www.phoronix.com)
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octacat 10/24/2024|
Linux and Wordpress are competing in the "well-managed" open source community of the year reward.

Before there were BCacheFS and "Rust for Linux" controversies this year.

forux 10/25/2024||
Many people must realise that we are close to the ww3 and that russians really pay a lot to attack what ever is possible to attack. Linus just protect us all.
2OEH8eoCRo0 10/23/2024||
> If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam.

> As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too.

quickthrowman 10/23/2024|
He has a point about history.

Russia is the reason that Finland still has compulsory military service.

Finland is also the only European country bordering Russia (excluding Norway and its small border w Russia) to escape being a Soviet Socialist Republic after WW II. Sure, they allied with Nazi Germany to accomplish that, but they joined the allies against Germany eventually.

fromrussiawlove 10/24/2024||
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dzeimis 10/24/2024||
> Kaliningrad Oblast

How is it relevant here?

bonzini 10/24/2024||
I guess in the sense that Poland also borders Russia via Kaliningrad, and wasn't part of the USSR.
sampo 10/24/2024|||
The Soviet Army occupied Poland in 1939, got pushed back by German attacks, re-entered and occupied Poland in 1944, and then Soviet Army kept presence in Poland until 1993.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Group_of_Forces

quickthrowman 10/24/2024|||
I’m aware of Konigsberg/Kaliningrad.

Was Poland occupied by Soviet troops for 49 years after WW II? Yes.

Was Finland occupied (at all) by Soviet troops after WW II? No.

Poland was a de facto SSR, Finland was not.

bonzini 10/25/2024||
Oh I understand and agree.
Bostonian 10/23/2024||
Is this being done as a sanction against Russia or because it is feared that the Russian government would get some rogue developers to submit code to the kernel that enables attacks?

Individual Russian programmers are not responsible for the invasion of Ukraine, so I would be reluctant to punish them for Putin's crime and to deprive Linux of their contributions.

ysjet 10/24/2024||
Specifically, the removed individuals work for Russian organizations that are sanctioned.

So this isn't really about individual Russian programmers at all.

biblbroxxx 10/24/2024||
I was trying to find the reason of their removal in the email conversation, but I couldn't have done it. The only statement was provided was something like "the reasons are clear". But it's not clear whether they were removed because of their association with sanctioned companies or just because of their country.
tivert 10/24/2024|||
> Individual Russian programmers are not responsible for the invasion of Ukraine, so I would be reluctant to punish them for Putin's crime and to deprive Linux of their contributions.

True, but individual Russian programmers are not free of Putin's influence, and could be compelled to do undesirable things.

The day after the invasion of Ukraine, my employer locked out all contractors we employed who resided in Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. They got their access back once they relocated to a non-combatant country, which most of them did in short order. That probably also saved many of their lives, since it meant they escaped the draft.

ogurechny 10/24/2024|||
Treating employees like slaves, and boasting that you “help” their stupid asses is so charming. Oh my dear cork hat! Oh my dear plantation!
tivert 10/24/2024||
> Treating employees like slaves, and boasting that you “help” their stupid asses is so charming. Oh my dear cork hat! Oh my dear plantation!

Are you, like, completely ignorant of what's going on in the world?

The day after the invasion one of them, totally unprompted, basically apologized on behalf of his country in our standup and said he opposed the war (they still had access to Office 365 throughout).

tpkee 10/24/2024|||
Ah! Finally the spies have been freed from Putin influence by being relocated to a safer country, no matter that if someone is truly as brainwashed as you say changing countries is pointless. Fucking hypocrisy
tivert 10/24/2024||
> Ah! Finally the spies have been freed from Putin influence by being relocated to a safer country, no matter that if someone is truly as brainwashed as you say changing countries is pointless. Fucking hypocrisy

WTF, man? I actually worked with a few of those folks. I don't think they were spies, but the policy was understandable, given the context. It dealt with risks that were practical to mitigate on such short notice when there was a lot of uncertainty, but didn't mitigate all risks. Nothing's perfect.

talldayo 10/23/2024|||
> I would be reluctant to punish them for Putin's crime and to deprive Linux of their contributions.

They can still contribute to Linux - being removed as a maintainer doesn't mean you can't fork Linux. If they have downstream changes they want to contribute to everyone upstream, there is nothing here preventing them from doing it the same way everyone else does.

shmel 10/23/2024||
As if a normal person would bother lol. If I was discriminated this way just because of my country of birth, I'd stop engaging with such an organization at all.
gtirloni 10/24/2024|||
Most people working on the Linux kernel are being paid by their employers to do so. This creates roadblocks for those companies. The days of the kernel being developed by a majority of idealistic developers is long gone.
g-b-r 10/24/2024|||
It's because of their government, not of their country of birth
dzhiurgis 10/24/2024||
More like Russian government would use a spanner to convince a maintainer to put a backdoor.

Delisting them is actually best for both - maintainer and linux. Russia cannot break your skull anymore and linux keeps a contributor.

fazen 11/2/2024||
There are no words for such a stupid move. But it is consistent with the decline of Western "civilization". Volunteers in freedom projects are not passports.
leoh 10/23/2024||
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/6e90b675cf942e50c70...
akurilov 10/25/2024||
Key takeovers:

1. Linux is occupied by USA

2. US praises public hatred against a nationality

mdp2021 10/26/2024|
> against a nationality

No, the targets are only contractors of specific firms.

est 10/23/2024||
so it's just these accounts can not contribute to Linux kernel, or their contributions were removed?
gus_massa 10/24/2024|
Removing all the old contributions is probably impossible.

IIUC in case they want to contribute, they must send the patch to the new maintainer of that part of Linux, instead of sending it directly to Linus.

est 10/24/2024||
omg it's a hot buzz in non-tech circles. People thought Russians are no longer be able to participate or using Linux.
gus_massa 10/24/2024||
participate: It's still not 100% clear, but I guess they still can send patchs (or fork the project).

using: It's GPL2. Everyone can use it, nobody can add restrictions. (Some people think this is a feature and some that it's a bug.)

thumbsup-_- 10/23/2024||
Just swallow a chill pill and move on. I hate to say it but writing a blog is not going to help much.
tanglewire 10/26/2024|
That's the Spirit!
hht3 10/25/2024|
Linus Torvalds sold out and betrayed the ideals. Продажный пидор ты предал все идеалы!
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