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Posted by kretaceous 10/24/2024

Rider is now free for non-commercial use(www.jetbrains.com)
828 points | 422 commentspage 4
buybackoff 10/24/2024|
If they want to grab market share they should include dotMemory to the free offer. Basically dotUltimate without ReSharper. Otherwise free Rider users will need to install free Visual Studio for enhanced profiling.
atemerev 10/24/2024||
Well, these code assistant AI models won’t train themselves…
jdthedisciple 10/24/2024|
Can't neglect feeding the bot brains indeed...
bbx 10/24/2024||
For someone who just got into game development on Mac, this is very interesting. I'd never heard of this IDE before. Will give it a try.
danhau 10/24/2024||
You won’t regret it. They’re basically the industry leaders in IDEs. They also make JetBrains Mono, a fantastic monospace coding font.
jdthedisciple 10/24/2024||
good luck, they will expect you to pay $149 / yr even if you don't make a penny off your game

all the while you coulda probably just made it in VS code for free...

askonomm 10/25/2024||
I wonder if construction workers also expect someone to give them free hammers and nails if they want to work on hobby projects. I doubt that. So maybe then software engineers shouldn't be so stuck up about not paying for their tools either?
jdthedisciple 10/25/2024||
unless there are competitors who do offer free hammers and nails (the VS Code of construction), I think your analogy fails
askonomm 10/25/2024||
That's fine, and yeah, perhaps my analogy isn't the greatest. But if you're ok with the free tools, why complain about the paid ones not being free as well? That's ridiculous to me at least. The paid ones offer value to clearly enough people to still be in business, and if you don't find that value useful to you, then don't .. use it?
kosolam 10/24/2024||
Btw, as a paying ultimate user for the Java EE features I was surprised how good vscode support for the same is. And completely for free
sdflhasjd 10/24/2024||
I wish Jetbrains could save me from Xcode. Please.
mdaniel 10/26/2024||
I'm thankful that I don't have to deal with Obj-C nor Swift in order to know if it would help your specific complaint but have you tried their Swift plugin for CLion? https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/8240-swift

I do see the /!\ sunset /!\ warning but until they actually do nuke it, it could still be helpful

curlicue 10/24/2024|||
Same, this has been a big struggle personally, as an engineer I try to be flexible with the tools I need to use, but I also want my tools to bring me joy, and Xcode brings me nothing but frustration
alexashka 10/24/2024|||
But who's going to save you from the Swift compiler? :)
terminalbraid 10/24/2024||
Same. Discontinuing AppCode was genuinely disappointing to me. Not sure if you can still download it, but it definitely hasn't seen a new major release since the 2023 version.
hyperbrainer 10/24/2024|||
Apparently, not enough people thought like you. [0]

> While we’ve had some growth in terms of adoption, we didn’t reach the market share we had hoped for. We believe that the time has come to sunset the product and focus our efforts in other directions.

[0] https://blog.jetbrains.com/appcode/2022/12/appcode-2022-3-re...

mdaniel 10/26/2024|||
They had a Swift plugin release in June 2024 FWIW https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/8240-swift/versions but I'm guessing one would need to do some plugin.xml surgery given the compatibility range is locked at 2023.1.7
Kwpolska 10/24/2024||
Rider is much better and faster than Visual Studio, and it's worth every penny. Making it free is a great move.
fhdsgbbcaA 10/24/2024||
I think it’s a bit worrisome that Microsoft can give away VS Code for free because they subsidize it in other ways, but JetBrains - a small software shop - clearly is being forced into this position.

Just more Big Tech setting the terms for all of us trying to make a living.

jasomill 10/24/2024|||
While I don't disagree with your overall point, it seems worth pointing out that JetBrains has over 2,000 employees, so it's only small in comparison with industry giants, and that Rider has been successfully competing with "free" from day one: both VSCode and Visual Studio have been free for non-commercial and commercial use by individuals and small organizations for longer than Rider has existed as a product.

And Rider was built on IntelliJ and ReSharper, two products that successfully "competed with free" for many years before then.

So, if anything, I'd say that JetBrains is at worst reasonably well-positioned to survive dumping by larger competitors with more diverse product lines.

fhdsgbbcaA 10/24/2024||
At 2k headcount they aren’t a bespoke vendor for sure, but the big tech CEOs can put that many people in a project at a whim, which is kinda scary to think about.
danhau 10/24/2024||||
I suspect JB know most of their revenue comes from corporate licenses (I‘m guessing), so this shouldn‘t cut their bottom line significantly, while simultaneously giving them a foot in the door of potential new customers. Get them hooked for private / OS projects, then sell them commercial licenses.
fhdsgbbcaA 10/24/2024||
Agree, but some part of me feels uneasy with the idea that Big Tech can, and will, take any product somebody has put blood, sweat, and tears into, copy it, and give it away for free.

This isn’t a new problem, but every time I see some form of “free” it gives me pause.

Kwpolska 10/24/2024|||
I don’t think JetBrains was forced to make Rider free. Their main customers are businesses, which still need to pay for Rider. Businesses also need to pay for Visual Studio (purple icon) if they have more than 5 developers. VS Code can theoretically do C# for free, but the free plugin is limited, and the paid plugin requires a Visual Studio license (it is mediocre anyway).
tester756 10/26/2024||
Is it actually faster than VS?
Kwpolska 10/26/2024||
It is, in my experience. Especially with larger projects. And if you compare to VS+ReSharper, which is equivalent to Rider feature-wise, it blows it out of the water.
tester756 10/27/2024||
ReSharper is usually very heavy.

There are extensions like Roslynator which provide majority of refactorings at lower perf. cost, for free $$.

horns4lyfe 10/26/2024||
Rider is such an excellent IDE. This is great news for anyone involved in the .net world.
slekker 10/24/2024||
I'm learning F# and have been using VSCode. How different/better JetBrains Rider support for F# is?
terminalbraid 10/24/2024||
Considering you get a better integrated environment rather than something designed more heavily around plugins you also get unquestionably much better refactoring tools.

One thing to note that I just learned: You cannot opt out of anonymous data collection if you use the free non-commercial license. (I'd probably still trust Jetbrains over Microsoft, but that's me)

https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2024/10/24/webstorm-and-ride...

I'd definitely recommend trying it out now that it's free. Your taste may vary.

chusk3 10/24/2024|||
Hi, I'm the maintainer for the VSCode F# support. Rider support for F# is great, that team is very engaged, and I'd strongly consider it if

* you have mixed C#/F# projects in a solution (C# and F# support in VSCode can't communicate today)

* you use Rider for other technology

* you want paid support for your editor tools

* you prefer IDE-style experiences rather than editor/ extension-style experiences

* you want to take advantage of Rider features like their accelerated build caching

terminalbraid 10/24/2024||
I appreciate the honesty and straightforwardness in this post given your position. Thank you.
debugnik 10/24/2024||
In my experience, Rider's support for F# is much more stable and usable than Ionide, or even Visual Studio proper.
briandear 10/24/2024|
VIM is free too. As is Xcode.
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