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Posted by zhengiszen 10/24/2024

Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report(www.ft.com)
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zhengiszen 10/24/2024|
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aussieguy1234 10/25/2024||
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cutler 10/25/2024|
Although you rightly condemn the IDF's terrorist origins, you fall into the trap of labelling genuine resistance movements as terrorist. Was the French Resistance a terrorist organisation? Or the Polish Resistance? Given the brutal occupation executed by Israel in Palestine why is armed resistance, in your eyes, taboo? This is not a football match between two equal sides. This is, and always has been, asymetric warfare where one side is armed to the teeth by the west. Where is Hezbollah's air force? Or its tanks?
rendall 10/25/2024||
You have it precisely inverted. Hezbollah, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood are not "freedom fighters". They are a supremacist, revanchist, Islamist movement hiding behind the notion of "occupation", funded by the government of Iran. The French and Polish resistance movements in WWII aimed to liberate their countries from Nazi occupation and restore legitimate governments, operating with support from the Allied forces as part of a recognized war effort. Their tactics targeted military objectives, respecting international humanitarian laws. In contrast, Hezbollah and Hamas have broader ideological goals, including regional control and, for Hamas, the eradication of Israel, using tactics such as rocket attacks and civilian-targeted violence, which violate international law. Unlike WWII resistance fighters who returned to civilian life post-conflict, Hezbollah and Hamas retain military power within their political structures, acting as armed entities beyond immediate defense. Hezbollah and Hamas are internationally designated as terrorist organizations, unlike the WWII resistance movements, which had legitimate standing under international law.
dunefox 10/25/2024||
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cutler 10/25/2024||
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halista 10/24/2024||
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KikoHeit 10/25/2024||
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id00 10/25/2024||
Is that the same UN that has its secretary-general António Guterres shaking hands with Putin and Lukashenko this week?

Let's be honest, UN is one of the most useless organization in the world (and been for a while, look at history of their Africa operations). By now their presense on ground with inability to actually do anything or help anybody is a liability (eg can't stop Hezbollah from launching rockets and using them as a shield)

pjmlp 10/25/2024||
The biggest issue we are facing now, it is that the same has happened ot the previous organization, League of Nations Union, which became useless to prevent WW II, UN was born after the war with the goal to be a better organisation than it predecessor.

And here we are, at the edge of WW III, with an useless UN.

timeon 10/25/2024||
How would you imagine useful UN? Or do you just want to be without it?
pjmlp 10/25/2024||
First of all, one whose army is actually useful, there are plenty of examples of genocides where UN troops were present and nothing was done to prevent that.

A weapon only works as dissuasion if the agressor isn't sure it might be used, otherwise they might as well be holding paper sticks.

catlikesshrimp 10/25/2024||
They being there has been informative. We know of israel attacking UN bases. We are yet to see Hezbolla militants holding white hats at gunpoint. Or at least hiding in a tunnel under a UN base
rendall 10/25/2024|||
There have been thousands rockets fired from southern Lebanon into Israel. So, Israel doesn't need permission from the UN or the international community or the US to invade and take out Hezbollah. Certainly not UNIFIL, who have been entirely useless as peace keepers.
rendall 10/25/2024|||
> Or at least hiding in a tunnel under a UN base

You should balance your news consumption, because here is a terror tunnel within view of a UNIFIL observation center: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KPLphHpQfA

This nonsense has been going on for years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rpCIMs0Xpo

catlikesshrimp 10/25/2024||
Thanks for the links. Unfortunately, the telegraph is not a serious source of information (visit the frontpage anytime for proof). The other video is even worse.

I personally wait until CNN publishes such information. It is the only Israel biased news source I deem above fakenews.

rendall 10/25/2024||
If you think of CNN as pro-Israel, no wonder you're so anti-Israel. Bypass the middle men altogether! Listen to Hamas directly! Listen to Israeli officials directly! Listen to everyone you can without preconceptions. Each party says very clearly exactly what they believe and what they are doing and what they want and how they plan to achieve it. Look for consistency and straight-forward statements of fact. Watch out when something affirms your preconceptions because that's when you are most vulnerable to being manipulated. When you listen to a Westerner, especially an American journalist, explain what Hamas, Palestine, Israel, Hezbollah or Iran is doing, they are filtering it through their own biases and preconceptions and are almost certainly flat-out incorrect.

Heck. Unfiltered man in the street interviews. You can't get more direct than that. Here are some. https://www.youtube.com/@CoreyGilShusterAskProject/videos

Listen to the Israelis and Palestinians. They say very clearly and directly what they want.

sershe 10/26/2024|
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dang 10/28/2024|
You can't post flamewar comments like this to HN or use the site primarily for ideological battle—it's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

We have to ban accounts that post like this, so please don't do it again.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

sershe 10/31/2024||
I understand my comment was made in anger, but where is the ideological battle?

I am trying to ask people to discuss non-tech-related politics elsewhere, as per guidelines. How else am I supposed to do that? Flagging doesn't work, politically inclined people just unflag it.

The parent post is the definition of off-topic; if you won't delete it, maybe you need a new guideline, where in garbage posts like this garbage comments like mine are allowed then? :D I think a good approach would be if posts like this were allowed to accumulate comments and then deleted completely, destroying all the dubious "contribution" and thus disincentivising it?

I do hate both ideologies fwiw; as applied to HN however, only one tends to create and promote off-topic political posts like this, or at least I never see the other kind of garbage in the RSS feed.

dang 10/31/2024||
"Dear butt-hurt lefties" is about as clear a marker of ideological battle as exists!

Now that I read your comment more closely I see that you intended it differently than I thought. I'm sorry I didn't get it right the first time. On the other hand, the way you phrased it guaranteed that a lot of readers (like me) wouldn't get it right, so I'd say the expected value* of the comment remains negative even though you intended it more positively than that.

* https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...