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Posted by samizdis 10/25/2024

Why ghosts wear clothes or white sheets(theconversation.com)
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iamthejuan 10/27/2024|
I got an experienced seeing one, at around 8 p.m. at the roof just above a coffin during wake. What I noticed that there is no seams on her white robe suggesting it is not made by human.
swayvil 10/25/2024||
Ever see that movie "The Sentinel" (1977)? Ghosts and/or demons scurrying out of Hell. Lots of nude ghosts there. White eyes. Scary.
photochemsyn 10/25/2024||
The Japanese ghost stories recorded by Lafcadio Hearn in the late 19th century are different:

> "For the face was the face of a woman long dead, and the fingers caressing were fingers of naked bone, and of the body below the waist there was not anything: it melted off into thinnest trailing shadow. Where the eyes of the lover deluded saw youth and grace and beauty, there appeared to the eyes of the watcher horror only, and the emptiness of death." - Lafcadio Hearn, In Ghostly Japan

https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/8128/pg8128.txt

jansan 10/25/2024|
The relationship with Japanese and ghosts are on another level. Here in Europe I know nobody who believes in ghosts, but I heard so many ordinary Japanese people telling ghost stories, from scary to quite amusing ones (how about having a ghost as a roommate:) ). That may explain why they are masters in horror movies. I was into Japanese horror until I became afraid to go upstairs in my own house without switching on a light, just like a little child. So maybe it is the other way around: they believe in ghosts because the movies are so good.
charlie0 10/25/2024||
There is shopping in the afterlife, duh.
throw4828475 10/27/2024|
In Chinese culture, people will burn representations of clothes so ghosts can wear.

Usually, it's family members who will do it yearly. In addition, each year during Ghost Month, people will burn offerings to those ghosts who do not have family.

They don't burn actual clothes, but representations of clothes made of paper. They are also burn paper made houses, cars, and money.

knodi 10/25/2024||
clothes are reflection of the of the mind imagining the ghost, not due to ghosts fashion sense.
2OEH8eoCRo0 10/25/2024||
God likes his thermostat low.
akhileshwar09 10/25/2024||
Ghosts maintain some procedure too..like we humans wear clothes ..maybe they have feelings
krapp 10/25/2024|
Ghosts aren't real, but the folklore around them has to conform to acceptable societal norms, particularly in the context of Victorian era Britain where the cultural template for most Western ghost stories originates, so ghosts have to be depicted with the necessary modesty unless offending that modesty is an intentional theme.

Also, clothes are useful for signaling a "ghost's" identity and status.

xattt 10/25/2024|||
Are ghost clothes made from ghost cotton? Or is there a mystical alteration process to convert human clothes to those that ghosts can wear?

Jokes aside, I am wondering if cynicism and humorous over-analysis is a recent phenomena, because the general population is more educated/have basic needs met than those in Victorian times.

harimau777 10/25/2024|||
An important principle in folklorists study of legends (which many ghost stories fall under) is that the legend cannot be separated from its telling. That means that telling legends is generally a group process. For example, after someone tells a legend someone else might speak up to add some details that they heard; only to be interrupted by someone to contest a point, and so on. I suspect that in that framework there have always been people who play the role of the skeptic who provides alternative interpretations or the practical joker who makes light of the story.
krapp 10/25/2024|||
This is what happens when people still have a desire to believe in a metaphysical reality, but want to reconcile that with their understanding of physical reality. It's assumed that ghosts are real actual disembodied spirits of the dead because belief in them serves a cultural need, but in a modern society not entirely governed by magical thinking, such beliefs don't seem practical enough to be comforting. The attempt to move past "superstition" and ground the supernatural in science was the driving impetus behind the spiritualism movement (that and grift.)

You see the same incentives in the modern day with Biblical literalism and flat earth, and UFO folklore where "ultraterrestrial" and "interdimensional" theory shows up. It seems like science if everything you know about science comes from Reddit and TikTok but it's really just three space goblins stacked in a lab coat. Three because, of course, three is a sacred number.

There's no explanation for why ghosts wear clothes that isn't less ridiculous than the obvious, that it's because we imagine people wearing clothes, and ghosts are imaginary people.

InDubioProRubio 10/25/2024||||
Maybe its a remnant of the classic geeks- dressing in togas - with the person itself invisible?
LtWorf 10/25/2024|||
From the times of jesus throughtout the middle ages there was no coffin, people were buried in a sheet
InDubioProRubio 10/28/2024||
Still are in the middle east
musicale 10/26/2024|||
> a remnant of the classic geeks

Those ancient and respected forebears of the modern geeks.

mensetmanusman 10/25/2024|||
Is the imagination real? Is it made of fermions or bosons?
nkrisc 10/25/2024|||
“Real” in the sense it exists within your mind, which exists (somehow) within your brain, which is itself likely real. So your imagination must have some physical basis, but it would exist entirely within your brain (or body, to the extent the rest of your body influences the brain itself).

Your brain imagining a specter in a doorway does not mean there is any anomaly within the physical space of the doorway at all that anyone else could perceive or measure - they would need to measure your brain to (theoretically) detect the physical basis of it.

What you see, feel, hear, taste is an interpretation of your physical environment, and may not accurately reflect it at all times.

mensetmanusman 10/25/2024||
Are fields physical in your explanation?
nkrisc 10/27/2024|||
Fields and their influence on matter can be detected and measured, and even perceived directly by humans. So, yes.
danparsonson 10/27/2024|||
Fields are absolutely physical - physical contact is due to the interaction of electromagnetic fields, for example.
mensetmanusman 10/28/2024||
It’s interesting, because there are textbooks that say the magnetic field lines aren’t real, but are a good visual of what happens when a magnetic particle is there…
danparsonson 10/31/2024||
Yes field lines are just an indicator of where the field is - a bit like how maps have contours showing height above sea level; those contours aren't physical things but they describe the physical environment in a schematic way.
adzm 10/25/2024||||
Imagination is real; imagined things are not necessarily.

Imaginary numbers are also not real.

The whole situation is quite complex.

smhenderson 10/25/2024|||
I know funny isn't really the goal for comments around here but man that made me laugh. So subtle and obvious at the same time and quite an appropriate response to the posed question!

Complex indeed...

jallasprit 10/25/2024||||
To tack on to the amount of complexity; your brain’s operation allows you to perceive a world outside your brain, but the actual perceiving of it happens inside your brain, which again rests inside the perceived world more or less..
mensetmanusman 10/25/2024|||
Real gets complicated when human minds are involved :)
drewcoo 10/25/2024|
Now if we only knew why aliens who've developed the technology to visit earth haven't also invented clothes! Maybe there's STEM funding for that.
randomdata 10/27/2024||
Folklore suggests that we only meet aliens during probing. Who’s to say they don’t wear clothes the rest of the time?
analog31 10/27/2024||
The aliens in Star Trek wear clothes.