Posted by ra7 2 days ago
Pretty sure Waymo sees very little threat from Tesla, who don't even have a single driverless mile on public roads.
"As of June 2024, there have been forty-four verified fatalities involving Autopilot and hundreds of nonfatal incidents."
Have there been any for Waymo? None that I can find.
Tesla has "concepts of a plan" to do something similar --- about where Waymo was in 2016.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2024/10/11/tesla-...
From the article. Have the people saying this actually tried the most recent FSD build?
I used it yesterday, and it reacted flawlessly to road construction that blocked a lane, then had cones demarcating a lane that didn't follow existing road markings. Then it saw that a driver wanted to turn left from parking lot while approaching a stop light and made space for the driver to turn out. It also flawlessly executed a merge involving turning into a suicide lane and waiting for traffic to pass.
It's very good at adapting to changes and can work on roads its never seen before. There is no other production car that can do what FSD can do currently.
Does this mean it's ready for full autonomy tomorrow? No, but I could use supervised FSD today if I wanted to drive 1600 miles from Austin to Toronto with hands mostly off the wheel.
The pace at which FSD is now improving is quite remarkable. In the long run it's clear that this approach is going to be WAY more flexible than Waymo's, because Tesla has so many more vehicles on the road collecting so much more data, and throwing vast amounts of compute at vast amounts of data is basically the best way to see rapid improvement for the foreseeable future.
But sure, "concepts of a plan".
Musk has invented his own oxymoron --- "supervised Full Self Driving" --- which means not really full self driving at all.
Your car is ready to be a robotaxi --- as long as you are behind the wheel to supervise it.
If a driver is required, it's not a robotaxi is it?
It's bizarre how people are so adamant about this when they haven't even tried it. Every passenger I've shown this to have had their minds blown.
Waymo actually does this today. Musk has plans to do this --- someday. It's mind blowing that you can't see the difference.
How about in a Tesla?
They are approaching this from two fundamentally different directions.
Absolutely not. But how many people want to hire a taxi to drive them cross country? Near zero.
They are approaching this from two fundamentally different directions.
Correct. One has a working robotaxi. The other has some marketing concepts.
It's funny how the future arrives and intermingles with the present. Stuff I could only dream of as a kid, things that seemed impossibly far off are here right now.
I'll probably have a Rosie in my house before I die and that's pretty incredible.
We know exactly how their remote operation works: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/
If my Waymo ride does the same, who is responsible?
Waymo isn't afraid of a threat. Waymo is dominating the market they created. This is just another chess play to lock up the TAM.