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Posted by nithinj 10/25/2024

Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales(www.bbc.com)
149 points | 156 commentspage 2
mgraczyk 10/25/2024||
Disposable vapes aren't legal in the US but they are available everywhere
throw156754228 10/25/2024||
If only I had a pound for every discarded vape canister littered on the ground I've seen in London over the past few years. Will the ban fix this? I barely even know what a vape is.
willy_k 10/26/2024|
Not that you asked, but a vape is a device consisting of a metal coil that has electricity ran through it to vaporize a mixture of nicotine (either in its salt or free base form), propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, and other additives and flavoring that has soaked into a (usually cotton) wick so that this vapor can be inhaled. There are disposable vapes that provide all of these in one bright candy-flavored package, and diy-style “pod mods” and “box mods” with modular tanks/pods and coils (and parts of coils for real enthusiasts), the latter which is filled by bottles of the same type of nicotine pg/vg liquid. They are available in different flavors, different ratios of pg/vg, different concentrations, and with the salt of or free base nicotine. A disposable ranges from $10-40, a mod ranges from around $30-300, and bottles range between around $15-$30. They are kind of nice but addictive and pointless.
Closi 10/25/2024||
Next step they should put a minimum price on non-disposable vapes at £50-£100.
whatwhaaaaat 10/25/2024|
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z3ncyberpunk 10/25/2024||
Good. Disposable vapes are a plague
progbits 10/25/2024||
Oh finally. I can't believe this bullshit was legal in the first place.
idunnoman1222 10/25/2024|
You can’t believe that making a small consumer electronic device was legal?
calmoo 10/25/2024|||
That's a bit of a mischaracterisation of the point OP was making. It is a small consumer device with a battery, that only lasts a few days and is then tossed out. That should never have been legal in the first place.
bluGill 10/25/2024|||
Plenty of children's toys are just as bad. All those musical toys/books you see: most of them do not have replaceable batteries - or the battery is replaceable but the retail price of the batteries is more than the whole toy (you can get sketchy batteries from the usual sketchy places for cheaper)
kchr 10/25/2024||
Agreed, but they're not being tossed out into nature the same way these disposable vapes are.
misnome 10/25/2024|||
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pjc50 10/25/2024|||
Making a consumer electronics device with the intent of it entering the regular waste stream? Fairly sure that was already illegal under WEEE, but the enforcement of that is so loose it's meaningless.
donbateman 10/25/2024||
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acdha 10/25/2024||
Do you have a citation for that? Most people would not consider a 3+ inch blade a pocket knife and even then it’s not illegal if you have a good reason:

https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

mgraczyk 10/25/2024|||
The most popular pocket knife in the US (as far as I know) has a 3.75 inch blade. https://www.buckknives.com/product/110-folding-hunter-knife/...
acdha 10/25/2024||
That’s a hunting knife with a belt holster. It might be popular but usually “pocket knife” means something like a Swiss Army knife which comfortably fits in a normal sized pocket.

(Nothing against Buck Knives, by the way - I have one of the first ones made in the custom knife shop 25 years ago when I developed the web UI for them. It’s just not a daily carry kind of size for most of us.)

mgraczyk 10/25/2024||
I don't think that's true. Where I grew up everyone carried a knife like this and called it a "pocket knife", and the description on wikipedia, various stores, blogs, manufacturers, etc all use the term to refer to this sort of knife.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocketknife

Buck also has many knives they specifically call "pocket knife" that have a blade longer than 3 inches:

https://www.buckknives.com/collections/pocket-knives/

acdha 10/26/2024||
Good point, although I notice that they seem to top out that category at 3¾ inches so maybe part of what we’re seeing is that standards have been evolving over time to shorten the blades.
jotux 10/25/2024|||
You can't carry a packet knife with a blade length over 2.5" into any US federal buildings: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930
acdha 10/25/2024||
Oh, I’m very aware of that. I was just looking for examples of someone in the UK actually going to jail for carrying a normal pocket knife where they weren’t threatening people or trying to enter some kind of restricted space.
some_random 10/25/2024||
There's a huge difference between restricting people's right to defend themselves and their right to purchase shitty single use electronics that slowly kill them
antihero 10/25/2024|||
If untrained people try to defend themselves with a pocket knife they are more likely to hurt themselves.
some_random 10/25/2024|||
That simply isn't true, and even if it was there's no system by which trained people can be certified to carry any form of self defense tool.
bluGill 10/25/2024|||
Even a trained person. A pocket knife is better than nothing, but not by much. Meanwhile a knife is a useful tool in a lot of situations.
some_random 10/25/2024||
That's just not true, knives are quite effective self defense tools that allow otherwise physically weaker individuals to inflict significant harm on attackers without much of any additional risk. I know that in the movies this isn't true, but that's just not a reflection of reality.
potato3732842 10/25/2024||||
To be fair, cigarettes are worse and pipes worse still, especially 2nd hand so it kind of makes sense that everyone was happy to have vapes proliferate.
immibis 10/25/2024|||
You mean, people's right to attack other people.
some_random 10/25/2024|||
No I'm very specifically talking about the right to self defense actually.
BoingBoomTschak 10/25/2024|||
Are you trying to control outlaws with laws? Good luck.
immibis 10/25/2024||
It worked everywhere else. There are less murderers because murder is illegal.
danielktdoranie 10/25/2024|
Good to see the government is solving real problems.