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Posted by dcgudeman 10/25/2024

Federal investigators probe Tether(www.wsj.com)
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seper8 10/25/2024|
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outside415 10/25/2024||
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dang 10/25/2024||
Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments to Hacker News.
rekttrader 10/25/2024||
Ask Cantor Fitzgerald if they aren’t the largest US treasuries purchasing outfit... with larger balances than many countries much less banks.
qqqult 10/25/2024||
Yearly Tether obituary thread
JumpCrisscross 10/25/2024||
> Tether obituary thread

Timing its collapse is foolhardy. Concluding it must collapse isn't. It's a shadow bank run without deposit insurance nor AML.

qqqult 10/25/2024||
Why must it collapse?
JumpCrisscross 10/25/2024|||
> Why must it collapse?

One, because the consequences of an AML failure are immediately catastrophic: a dollar stablecoin can't reasonably survive without access to the dollar financial system. Tether's unregulated status means enforcement options are zero or ban. (Banks can be fined and put under compliance regimes.) Running a perfect AML programme indefinitely is impossible. There is no indication Tether runs much of an AML programme at all.

Two, because bank-like structures are inherently unstable. Asset values fluctuate. The banks they hold cash or assets at will fail, sometimes beyond deposit insurance limits. Unlike banks, Tether has the benefit of being able to block redemptions. But they can only do that so many times before a regulator takes notice.

In summary, Tether exists at the pleasure of American regulators and the consequences of losing favour are collapse. They're compliance-wise and financially unstable. The consequences of a single failure won't be catastrophic. But eventually they will fail for the same reason every bank without deposit insurance will, eventually, fail.

alchemist1e9 10/25/2024|||
Governments don’t like stable coins so even if it is perfectly 1:1 they will still try to find a way to go after them.

Other commenters have hinted the path is “sanctions” for not enforcing some controls..

Personally I can’t wait for governments to go after stable coins, then Bitcoin will really “moon”!

JumpCrisscross 10/25/2024||
> Governments don’t like stable coins so even if it is perfectly 1:1 they will still try to find a way to go after them

There are plenty of regulated stablecoins [1]. Hell, my state is launching one [2].

Governments usually have to subpoeana banks to get transaction records. With a stablecoin, those records are centralised.

[1] https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/StableCoinReport_...

[2] https://www.ledgerinsights.com/state-of-wyoming-plans-stable...

BLKNSLVR 10/25/2024||
It's more "every four years" at about this time isn't it?
BLKNSLVR 10/25/2024||
Good timing, along with the election. Going by history there's the likelihood of a ~20% dip in the BTC price before it takes a couple of big steps up in the last few months of the bull run part of the 4-year cycle.

If it happens, accumulate.

paulpauper 10/25/2024||
Why would I accumulate something which has so much risk and so much downside when I can just buy tech stocks like TSLA or NVDA which actually go up, with less risk and less volatility? Meta, Nvidia, QQQ have beaten bitcoin for years now. The time to have bought bitcoin was pre-2017 or so. those days over for good. Bitcoin is weak and bloated, never goes up anymore, too many old wallets and whales dumping. Too much regulation.
BLKNSLVR 10/25/2024||
Depends on your timescale and when to buy and sell.

Depending on the reason, I'd also say it would be worth buying Meta, NVDA, TSLA, etc. on a 20% dip, especially if they were going into a season where, historically, they makes their largest gains.

gosub100 10/25/2024||
Don't buy a pizza with it, or help Aunt Mildred with an expense, or loan your brother $4k though, because it's useless for any practical purposes.
BLKNSLVR 10/25/2024||
I'm aware of these things, but good points to know for the uninitiated.
gws 10/25/2024||
For those doubting that Tether is fully backed, note that Howard Lutnick, CEO of Cantor Fitzgeral, one of the largest investment banks and a public company, has stated that Cantor Fitzgeral manages Tether’s money and indeed the money is all there and invested in US treasury bonds
JumpCrisscross 10/25/2024||
> Howard Lutnick, CEO of Cantor Fitzgeral, one of the largest investment bank and a public company, has stated that Cantor Fitzgeral manages Tether’s money and indeed the money is all there and invested in US treasury bonds

Source? I'm seeing Fitzgerald say "Cantor Fitzgerald manages 'many many' of" Tether's assets (not all) and that he can vouch for their balance sheet [1]. But not that Cantor manages all of its assets nor that it's all in Treasuries.

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-16/tether-s-...

gws 10/25/2024||
The most comprehensive and forceful statements are in this video: https://youtu.be/IjR3Hj0aRW4?si=s2D0wjQOIS5uiFKh
gws 10/26/2024||
8:45
pfisherman 10/25/2024|||
What are the incentives at work here? What is their risk exposure to a collapse of tether? What would be the reputation al risk to their firm if tether was a scam?

I personally would take this with a grain of salt as they have a direct financial interest in Tether looking solid and prestigious and continuing its present operations.

I am old enough to remember when investment banks touting their mortgage backed securities business before the collapse in 2008.

gws 10/26/2024||
The incentives at work here are that if a CEO of a public company makes false statements of this kind goes to jail. This is like the CEO of the bank that held Bernie Madoff's money going on record before Madoff's fall saying he holds Bernie's money and it's all there. If Tether is unbacked Howard Lutnick is going to jail, so it is irrational to believe Tether is unbacked at this point.
pfisherman 10/27/2024||
So what exactly did the CEO say? Did he attest to tether’s balance sheet? Did he attest to the dollar amount of tether’s assets managed his institution?

What I am getting is that he simply said that he holds some of tether’s assets. Why and how would that make him privy to the entirety of tether’s balance sheet?

gws 10/27/2024||
Listen to 8:45 of this video: https://youtu.be/IjR3Hj0aRW4?si=s2D0wjQOIS5uiFKh

He says that Tether can redeem any request because his company holds their money. If Tether is unbacked this is security fraud

lottin 10/25/2024|||
That's nonsense. If they want to remove doubts that the money is all there they should get an audit. Refusing to get an audit is an enormous red flag.
botanical 10/26/2024|||
They have $118.4 billion in USD reserves?
seper8 10/25/2024||
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pessimizer 10/25/2024|
Both presidential candidates have signaled that they are pro-crypto scams (and one thinks that has something to do with the welfare of black men.) It's too late. Bitcoin has entered the house price zone, where people are elected to office on promises to make housing as expensive as possible. We'll have to wait until crypto brings down the entire economy. And after it does, the people who hold it will be bailed out:

"Do you know how many disadvantaged minorities are invested in crypto? Especially after we allowed them to invest their social security into it, with matching contributions from the state if they agree to hodl? Are you a racist monster?"

Meanwhile 90% of black people will have 90% of their savings in crypto, accounting for less than 2% of all crypto holdings.

FTX so far was barely a speedbump. All it taught politicians is that there's a lot of money in doing what crypto whales say, and absolutely no consequences even if it goes belly up in the worst way.

paulpauper 10/25/2024|
It's just pandering. Neither candidate will do anything. Existing regulation will stay in place or tighten.
mikeyouse 10/25/2024||
Trump launched an actual Shitcoin.. will be interesting to see what happens to that.