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Posted by intunderflow 10/25/2024

Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court(en.wikipedia.org)
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dangsux 10/26/2024||
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card_zero 10/26/2024||
The West Indies aren't India. Is this a cover-up, part of a scheme to distort perceptions? No, it's an artifact of history. Turkeys aren't from Turkey (officially "Türkiye"). But birds from south of the Sahara that resemble turkeys were at one time sold to Western Europe via Turkey. Then the name was transferred to large American birds, inaccurately, because they were you know what I mean, Turkeys. Similarly, Arabic numerals (which undeniably passed through Arabic) were you know what I mean, Arabic numbers instead of people attempting to deliver detailed history lessons mid-conversation. There was no deliberate or even subconscious attempt to impugn any foreign country. Well, no specific attempt. No more than usual. It was just people persistently getting the names of things wrong, like they always will.
dartharva 10/26/2024||
Your claims, even taken on face value (which would be ridiculous), aren't enough to justify threatening a public-service knowledge website with bans in modern society, which is today defined by Western values (for better or worse). And Western values have this peculiarity where free speech is sacred and any infringement on it is sacrilege.

But most of Asia is a newcomer to the concept and so doesn't see a problem in censorship where it sees fit. On a side note, I can't recall a single point in time throughout its several millennia of history when South Asia ever featured 1A-levels of free speech. Such a lack in society is downright disgusting for anyone raised in Western influence.

kragen 10/26/2024||
This is quite alarming. It's well past time to fork Wikipedia.
einpoklum 10/25/2024||
> Long-form reports by The Caravan and The Ken, along with reports by other media watchdogs have described the agency as serving as a propaganda tool of the incumbent government.[8][7][23]

I wonder how long such a description of a US news outlet like CNN, Fox, NYT or WashPo would last on English Wikipedia.

boomboomsubban 10/26/2024||
From the Fox News Wikipedia article

>Fox News has been characterized by many as a propaganda organization.[24][25][26][27][28] Its coverage has included biased and false reporting in favor of the Republican Party, its politicians, and conservative causes,[29][30][31] while portraying the Democratic Party in a negative light.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News

Too lazy to check the others. The NYT undoubtedly has a lengthy section on the buildup to the Iraq War, where they would have been a "propaganda tool of the incumbent government."

kibwen 10/26/2024||
> The NYT undoubtedly has a lengthy section on the buildup to the Iraq War, where they would have been a "propaganda tool of the incumbent government."

This comment might come across as sarcastic, possibly implying that Wikipedia wouldn't cover such a thing. To be clear, Wikipedia has an entire article entitled "List of The New York Times controversies" (linked from the main article), which does indeed mention the Iraq War (among other things) in the summary, with a section to elaborate, linking to the article on Judith Miller for much more extensive elaboration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_New_York_Times_con...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller#The_Iraq_War

dekhn 10/25/2024|||
The NYT isn't a propaganda tool of the incumbent government; they are the mouthpiece of the establishment, which is different.
dartharva 10/26/2024|||
For context, The Caravan is a magazine by the Delhi Press Group that presents itself as "fighting against obscurantism and authoritarianism", and has a big record of getting into legal fights with all kinds of people and organizations (listed here: https://caravanmagazine.in/pages/about-us).

The Ken is just a business news startup out of Bangalore.

tomrod 10/26/2024||
Without end. These folks are listed as such and worse all across the internet by authoritarians in the US already.
utkarsh858 10/26/2024|
The article has not been blocked by Indian government but by Indian judiciary system with a trial, there's a difference. Also trials in India take a lot of time and conclusions are reached after much thought.

Also Wikipedia does not have a good track record of its editors free from misleading articles for defamation and propaganda. I won't trust at all the article in Wikipedia about the war between Wikipedia and ANI. The article (archive) already seems to present the court in a bad flavour.

EasyMark 10/26/2024||
That’s fine but why do they think they have jurisdiction over the entire planet?
utkarsh858 10/26/2024||
Yeah that is wrong, but many are under the impression that Indian government has started stomping on free speech and that the judiciary are just completely whimsical.
sunshowers 10/26/2024||
In India like in many other countries, the judiciary is one of the three branches of government. As an Indian citizen I certainly don't trust the Indian judiciary to be impartial when it comes to literally ANI.
madebymaya 10/26/2024||
the opening statement is your opinion which is obviously incorrect, stated as if it's factual. In India, as in many countries that follow rule of law, judiciary is independent from government. It's the third pillar of democracy not government.

Classic Doctrine of separation of powers.

the latter part of the statement is clearly given as your opinion which of course one is free to carry.

sunshowers 10/26/2024|||
No, in fact what I said is the generally understood meaning of the constitutional structure of India [1] [2].

[1] https://www.britannica.com/place/India/Constitutional-struct...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_India

hm64 10/26/2024|||
> judiciary is independent from government

Correction: The judiciary is independent from the legislative branch of the government, but it functions alongside the executive and legislative branches as part of the Indian government. While the separation of powers is fundamental, it’s important to acknowledge that the existence of this structure doesn’t automatically guarantee impartiality or independence in practice.