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Posted by nabla9 10/27/2024

Character amnesia in China(globalchinapulse.net)
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hsfzxjy 10/28/2024|
Meanwhile, another trend among Chinese teenagers is the use of Pinyin initials to replace Chinese words. For example, 永远的神 (pinyin: Yǒngyuǎn de shén), a meme used to praise something, is often written as "yyds."

These teens have become accustomed to reading and writing sentences composed of such acronyms, and they even use them in real-life conversations—much to the annoyance of cultural conservatives. This phenomenon highlights how online communication can influence offline speech patterns.

James_K 10/27/2024||
It would be rather interesting if technology simply caused people to start writing in the roman alphabet. Phonetic spelling is certainly the superior option, so perhaps that will simply be what people arrive at through inevitable statistical pressure.
unit149 10/28/2024|
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jacksonLiu89 10/28/2024||
it is quite common, since chinese people use hand write not a lot as previous time.The computer and internet will make this more common after serveral decades.
Jun8 10/27/2024||
Many people here may not be familiar with David Moser, the author of this article. He’s frequently mentioned in Douglas Hofstadter’s book Le Ton Beau le Marot (fantastic book on language and translation BTW) in regards to matters related to Mandarin. He was a well known (as Mo Dawei) in China’s xiangsheng scene (a verbal comedy routine, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiangsheng#:~:text=Xiangshen....) and is probably one of the most knowledgeable foreigners on Mandarin. He started learning it in college in mid 80s.
kleton 10/27/2024||
This has been a perennial "story" for at least 15 years on English language internet, but for actual Chinese it's not really a thing.
throwaway313373 10/28/2024||
I understand that the topic of writing systems is touchy because it involves people's national identity and national pride.

That's why all the comments that mention efficiency of different writing systems are heavily downvoted.

But if we think about writing systems' evolution as an optimization problem that optimizes for "efficiency" (whatever that means. It is pretty hard to define so I'm not even going to try) we could easily imagine some systems being stuck at a local minimum. Or maybe even all of them being stuck at different local minimums some of which are smaller than the others.

mannyv 10/27/2024||
Does this happen in Japanese as well?
gramie 10/27/2024|
I remember almost 25 years ago, when I was teaching English in Japan, one of my adult students couldn't remember how to write the kanji (i.e. Chinese characters) for "police".

Text input is now universally phonetic, and young people have a lot of trouble remembering how to write words.

Add to this the enormous (and increasing) use of English words, written either in katakana or actually in Roman letters, and it's plain that Japan is further down the road of losing its writing identity than China is.

anon-3988 10/27/2024||
Does Arabs and Sanskrit have the same problem to some extend? AFAIK, characters can sometimes combine and not.
dwheeler 10/27/2024||
Arabic is still fundamentally phonetic. The article mentions thus is only a Chinese and Japanese problem.
alephnerd 10/27/2024|||
No one uses Sanskrit anymore.

Thar said, South Asian languages are phonetic so similar problems to Chinese do not exist.

The best comparison for character amnesia in Chinese would probably be Japanese.

w0de0 10/27/2024||
Arabic is an adjad, so of course not. The "combination" you're thinking of is akin to cursive - stylistic.
PerilousD 10/27/2024||
I got a little more than halfway into this long article, so I apologize if this was answered at some point. So what?

Many native English speakers can't pick up a pen and paper and write intelligibly and would be in real trouble if they lost their phones; an increasingly annoying number TALK into their phones, not even pretending to type and just spewing auto-corrected crap out into the world.

mitthrowaway2 10/27/2024|
Doctors have messy handwriting, but I don't think I've ever met a native English speaker who completed elementary school who would pick up a pen and pause, completely uncertain of how to draw a letter of the alphabet. They might make minor spelling mistakes, but I don't think that's closely analogous to the phenomenon the author is talking about.
MarkusQ 10/27/2024|||
The "Doctors have messy handwriting" trope derives from the fact that prescriptions often contain a large fraction of Latin terms, chemical names, abbreviations and acronyms that don't parse (and thus seem sloppy/illegible) if you are trying to "decipher" them as English. Doctors don't have significantly messier handwriting compared to similar populations (esp. now that drafting isn't as emphasized in architecture, engineering, and similar programs)
staticman2 10/28/2024|||
>>>Doctors don't have significantly messier handwriting compared to similar populations

I'm skeptical of this claim. My family doctor had bad handwriting, and one time the hospital worker had to call him to ask if he ordered a x-ray or Ct scan.

cyberax 10/28/2024|||
Please. I still have my medical charts from my childhood, back before the computers. I can barely read the handwriting there, and it's not because of medical terms.

Apparently, it became slightly better recently, now that doctors spend less time scribbling things and mostly type them instead.

adastra22 10/27/2024|||
This is far more analogous to spelling mistakes.
mitthrowaway2 10/27/2024||
The entire article is an argument to the contrary. It's fine if you disagree with the author's opinion on that point, but it's begging the question to just dismiss it on that basis. They even specifically mention that "this new digitally induced amnesia is not merely a matter of forgetting a few strokes in a rare character", which would be more like a spelling mistake.

What the author describes is a phenomenon like wanting to write the word "analogous" but having no idea how to even begin putting pen to paper. Not writing the word and ending up with "analagous" by mistake.

adastra22 10/27/2024||
Do you read Chinese? I do. The examples given in the paper involve forgetting which radicals constitute a character. It very much feels similar to forgetting whether it is “through” or “thru”. They put the wrong component down. They did not forget how to write the set of components in common use.

There are cases, almost certainly overrepresented here, where a character has some truly unique variation that the writer forgets. They know it is different but forget how. In almost all other instances it is a matter of forgetting “is it heart or fire here?” as these two are very similar. It’s like spelling with an i instead of an e.

clarle 10/28/2024|
My hot take - this isn’t that much different than English speakers not being able to write in cursive anymore. It’s just not something that’s as practiced as much now that we have digital input methods.
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