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Posted by bwb 10/28/2024

Sci-fi books that you may never have heard of, but definitely should read(shepherd.com)
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thegyppo 10/29/2024|
Dungeon Crawler Carl is a rare gem that I've come across lately, very unique, paces well and I couldn't put it down - https://www.goodreads.com/series/309211-dungeon-crawler-carl

The audiobook is also really well narrated.

kamarg 10/29/2024||
You may also like Will Wight's Cradle series. It's an american style of Xianxia/Cultivation novels but very good. The audiobooks are also highly praised.
wilted-iris 10/29/2024|||
You may also enjoy the Expeditionary Force series. Totally different story, but it has a similar vibe.
rfarley04 10/29/2024||
I was so skeptical when my recommended the series. It sounds so juvenile and low brow but is actually SO GOOD. Both funny and genuinely well written and structured. Love that it's doing as well as it is
hailpixel 10/28/2024||
I love this genre, and there is such a plethora of interesting reads. I think one of the most interesting, in terms of presenting technology's role in varied societies, is A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge. Great read if you are bored of the classic space opera.
arethuza 10/28/2024||
And the prequel A Deepness in the Sky is even better with very alien aliens (and a neat way of hiding that alien-ness from readers) and some very nasty antagonists with truly terrifying technology in the form of "focus".

Mind you, Vinge's Rainbows End is also really good and set in the near future with what may be an emerging AGI as a key character.

layer8 10/28/2024|||
Vinge is one of my favorite authors, but the rape-y torture-y subplot of Deepness was difficult to endure.
orbisvicis 10/29/2024|||
Huh, I think that features one of the protagonists from Fast Times at Fairmont High. Set in the early singularity age.
globular-toast 10/28/2024|||
I really like that, but I definitely thought A Deepness in the Sky was even better despite probably being considered "classic space opera".
lapcat 10/28/2024||
> A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge

It's a great book, but everyone has heard of it already.

mmcdermott 10/28/2024||
I was talking to a fairly avid scifi reader who hadn't heard of the book before.

It's always someone's day to be one of 10,000.

https://xkcd.com/1053/

xeonax 10/29/2024||
The Wandering Inn [1], Stories of an alternate world somehow connected to a certain innkeeper of the said inn.

Features extensive world building, character building, Lots of fleshed out characters, contains humour as well as serious stuff, has dragons, fae, aliens, time travel, hiveminds, automatons, cute pets, cosmic horrors, history lessons, magic, alchemy and steampunk engineering.

It's a bit longish and not finished yet, 2/3 done as of this year.

[1]: https://wanderinginn.com/

aidenn0 10/29/2024||
I'm only on the second volume, but so far I wouldn't call it Sci-Fi; it's pretty much straight-up fantasy (specifically a portal-fantasy with string LitRPG elements) so far.

I suppose there could be a "It's all a VR game" or "It's alien mind control" twist that I haven't gotten to yet.

codetheweb 10/29/2024|||
I love the Wandering Inn but calling it “a bit longish” is quite an understatement.
xeonax 10/29/2024||
Ok it's a bit longer, only a little bit.

See for yourself https://www.reddit.com/r/WanderingInn/comments/wil9pi/word_c...

aidenn0 10/29/2024||
OT, but I'm legitimately surprised that WoT is longer than the saga of recluse.

I'm also a very mildly annoyed that they included several era-spanning series on the list, but limited Dragonlance to the chronicles trillogy, despite that including followups by the original authors (Legends, Second generations).

kinow 11/3/2024||
I learned about TWI and pirate aba some months ago, and binge-read the whole series non-stop.
ZeroGravitas 10/28/2024||
The SF Masterworks series is a good source of forgotten classics in amongst the many super popular picks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SF_Masterworks

beezle 10/30/2024|
Was about to say so many of these "you've never heard of" lists are books within the past decade but there are just so many older ones. Asimov alone wrote many book outside of the robot and foundation series.

One that only the older set may know is Cities in Flight by James Blish (technically a trilogy but primarily sold as the single combined novel).

orbisvicis 10/29/2024||
Here are some which, though perhaps not the best, haunt my memory through unique nostalgia.

Glory Season, David Brin. Ok, this is one of the best. A heartrending saga of epic scale.

Carve the Sky, Alexander Jablokov. Scifi feudalism.

All of an Instant, Richard Garfinkle.

Vita Nostra, Marina & Sergey Dyachenko. Though very different, it somehow reminds me of Roadside Picnic.

Spin, Robert Charles Wilson.

Schismatrix, Bruce Sterling.

Interstellar Pig, William Sleator.

The Carpet Makers, Andreas Eschbach

The Threshold series (Peter Clines) doesn't really belong in this list, but it is excellent and from what I gather, commonly overlooked by fans of Lovecraft.

I'd also throw in The Sparrow, Mary Doria Russel, if it wasn't so well known already.

In a different vein, if you seek good-old action-packed, kick-ass never-ending fun, pick anything by Larry Correia. Even if it appears fantasy, it might turn out to be scifi...

stevekemp 10/29/2024||
Interstellar Pig, was an unexpected addition there. I remembered that book immediately from hearing the title!

(On that note I remember a book I read at a similar time, some kids took off in a hollow asteroid, for reasons, and there was a home-made aiming system for their weapon(s) which involved using a cat. I've no idea what it was called or who wrote it. But I guess similar young-adult fiction.)

rsynnott 10/29/2024||
> and there was a home-made aiming system for their weapon(s) which involved using a cat

Truth is, of course, sometimes stranger than fiction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pigeon

dur-randir 10/29/2024||
>Vita Nostra, Marina & Sergey Dyachenko

That's far from their best novel, but unfortunately most aren't translated into English - there're Polish and sometimes Deutsch translations only :(

Suppafly 10/29/2024||
>That's far from their best novel, but unfortunately most aren't translated into English

It's so good, if their others are better it's insane that they haven't been translated yet.

bwb 10/28/2024||
hi all, founder of Shepherd here :)

If you want to share your 3 fav reads of the year, you can do that here -> https://shepherd.com/bboy/my-3-fav-reads

You get a cool page like this -> https://shepherd.com/bboy/2024/f/bwb

Plus, it goes into our "best books of 2024" voting -> https://shepherd.com/bboy/2024

I am slowly getting more into place on this website, I have been working on it for 3.5 years now.

dunefox 10/30/2024|
> You get a cool page like this -> https://shepherd.com/bboy/2024/f/bwb

How do I get to my page? The profile section is very spartan. I'm not even sure whether my profile picture was submitted.

bwb 10/30/2024||
Yep go here: https://shepherd.com/bboy/my-3-fav-reads

To submit your 3 favorites, and then we will email you once the page is ready.

Ya sorry, brand new and working on the profile to improve it and the image bit.

Hit me up at ben@shepherd.com if you need any help.

dunefox 10/30/2024||
> then we will email you once the page is ready.

Ah, I completely missed this part. Long day.

> Ya sorry, brand new and working on the profile to improve it and the image bit.

Don't worry, so far I like the site quite a bit, especially since there is much more about ancient mesopotamia than I had thought!

bwb 10/30/2024||
Sweet thanks!

I am going to work a ton this winter to improve topic/genre accuracy, as I think we have more on Mesopotamia but the system is struggling to tag it correctly. We are using an older NLP/ML system that isn't working as well as newer ones. Update coming soon.

dunefox 10/30/2024||
Great to hear. Also, a very interesting topic for me since this is close to my masters degree and current job. For a niche topic like ancient mesopotamia I was surprised. Is there a blog post or something about how the site works behind the scenes?
bwb 10/31/2024||
Very cool! What is your job?

I blog every 2 to 3 weeks here about building it: https://build.shepherd.com/

But I am not a developer, so it only goes into things lightly, like our topic system with NLP/ML and other topics. (hoping to be a dev in a few years enough to work on it as well)

Here are a few, are these interesting or too mundane? https://build.shepherd.com/p/a-big-focus-for-2024-improving-... https://build.shepherd.com/p/building-shepherd-updated-topic... https://build.shepherd.com/p/building-shepherd-topic-pages-n... https://build.shepherd.com/p/sneak-peek-at-genre-and-age-gro...

It is python / Django on the backend, nothing crazy I think.

dunefox 10/31/2024||
Currently, I'm working as a Data Scientist on document retrieval/text matching, and I have a masters degree in a topic close to computer science and linguistics.

> Here are a few, are these interesting or too mundane?

Thanks, I'll have a look. It's quite interesting, even if it's not very technical, since recently I started thinking about building a book trade or selling network for close friends and their friends (invitation based).

> It is python / Django on the backend, nothing crazy I think.

A solid choice, I think.

Do you use something like openlibrary.org as well?

bwb 11/1/2024||
Nice!

That is a very cool idea! I've been thinking about something like that to help fund the website, which is a network of book trades, and you get credit for a new used book for every trade. Although I was going to charge $10 a year or $1 a book to go 80% toward authors and 20% toward the website.

> Do you use something like openlibrary.org as well?

When I last looked in 2020, the data quality on open library was really bad, so I didn't use them. We created every book recommended in our system manually, as we needed to find high-quality cover images, and it was an easy way to start.

Eventually, we licensed data from the Nielsen API. It has not been a great experience, but it works "ok." I also looked at Ingram and Bokwer. Now things are 90% automated, but we still have to source a high quality cover for each book as the book APIs have such small images.

I am hoping to expand our book DB in 2025 to all books for a lot of the new features. I am going to look at Open Library again then, as it might work better for that limited functionality. I also could have been too pedantic back in 2020 when i looked at them :)

dunefox 11/1/2024||
> That is a very cool idea! I've been thinking about something like that to help fund the website, which is a network of book trades, and you get credit for a new used book for every trade. Although I was going to charge $10 a year or $1 a book to go 80% toward authors and 20% toward the website.

Sounds like a nice way to generate some funding, especially as you already have a number of users on your site to start with. I have no idea how much bureaucracy it takes to be able to take 5% of each transaction or so, so I'll probably leave mine completely free - if I ever get the time to implement it, that is.

> When I last looked in 2020, the data quality on open library was really bad, so I didn't use them.

> Now things are 90% automated, but we still have to source a high quality cover for each book as the book APIs have such small images.

Not great, since that would have been a starting point for me. ;) Cool though, that you can invest into a custom database, since you can tailor it to your task and aren't relying on potentially bad data.

> I am hoping to expand our book DB in 2025 to all books for a lot of the new features.

Is there a public roadmap somewhere for the features?

> I also could have been too pedantic back in 2020 when i looked at them :)

Maybe, maybe not. It takes huge effort to go back and improve a system relying on bad data, especially if it's already a certain size. I know from experience, as my company just did that with a large internal catalogue. Not fun.

bwb 11/1/2024||
I chatted with someone who had a platform like this in the past, and they said it worked really well. They ended up shutting it down when a server lost data or something weird. They also made a fair amount of money from links to buy the book new if there were no used copies available to "order."

>Not great, since that would have been a starting point for me. ;) Cool though, that you can invest >into a custom database, since you can tailor it to your task and aren't relying on potentially bad > data.

Legally, you can probably use the Google Books API for a project like this (whereas I couldn't due to their rules). Or, you could also use Open Library since you don't need great data quality, only the title and author to get this running. For me it was some of the other quality issues that made it not worth my time back then.

>Is there a public roadmap somewhere for the features?

Not a good one: https://forauthors.shepherd.com/roadmap

I promise I will update it this weekend. I am trying to find a better embed than this text list (behind the scenes, we have a much better system).

Basically, it is:

Roll out a better ad system for our Founding Author Members (as they are heavily funding the website).

Roll out book series pages (and test a notification system for users there)

Ship a massive update to our bookshelf collections of genres, age groups, and topics. This will visually navigate and break down the most loved books of all time, trending, new, and some other cool stuff.

Improve the accuracy of our genre / topic system (as of right now, it is not doing well). And I am working to add themes and tropes into he mix.

Big improvement to book section UX.

Building a DB of all books to power features needing that going forward (going to try to see if I can use Open Library).

Add a monthly "fav read of month" program for readers.

It is a rough list; still testing and thinking on a lot of these.

And waiting for a lot of data to come back on our personalized email list -> https://shepherd.com/my-book-dna

As I am trying to really do something cool with email and waiting to make sure engagement looks good with 1,000 subscribers before I start evolving and improving it.

dunefox 11/1/2024||
Good point, I forgot about affiliate links.

> Legally, you can probably use the Google Books API for a project like this (whereas I couldn't due to their rules). Or, you could also use Open Library since you don't need great data quality, only the title and author to get this running. For me it was some of the other quality issues that made it not worth my time back then.

I think, UX wise I'd be in a similar position to you, since 1.) I'd need a short description of the book as well, and 2.) definitely in german, too. So, I'd probably have to create a lot of data myself.

> Not a good one: https://forauthors.shepherd.com/roadmap

> Improve the accuracy of our genre / topic system (as of right now, it is not doing well). And I am working to add themes and tropes into he mix.

I think, that's a good focus. Good quality structured data is quite good to have.

> Add a monthly "fav read of month" program for readers.

I'd definitely use this. Are you planning on adding a lot more interactivity/"blogging" features on the reader side?

It'll be interesting to see the development in the next year, big plans! I'll definitely keep an eye on the site.

bwb 11/2/2024||
Ah ya, I don't know about German, maybe there is a free source in Germany?

>I'd definitely use this. Are you planning on adding a lot more >interactivity/"blogging" features on the reader side?

Yep working that way in 2025 :)

nicolas_t 10/28/2024||
Let me throw my hat in the ring. I'd recommend Grass by Sheri S Tepper. It felt fresh and original in a way few science fiction books are, the characters are really well done and it just stays with you. Despite being the first book of a trilogy, it works well on its own.
ms_katonic 10/28/2024|
Yes!!! I would also recommend anything by Zenna Henderson.
fractallyte 10/29/2024||
Now there's a name I hear very rarely...

The best start is Pilgrimage: The Book of the People, especially suitable for a moody teen girl...

(And I wish I could know the story of the Bells of Couvron!)

ryandvm 10/29/2024||
I want to do book recommendations from the other direction. I need to know which books to avoid based on the books people like.

For example, if I hated The Three Body Problem and you loved it, then I'm probably going to hate the other books you love.

OnionBlender 10/29/2024||
Just because someone liked a book you hate, doesn't mean you will hate the other books they like.

I hated "Sea of Tranquility". I can't stand stupid characters.

"Furtuna" was so bad I made a note to avoid any other books by Kristyn Merbeth. The main character is stupid, selfish, and short sighted to the detriment of everyone around her.

Suppafly 10/29/2024||
>Just because someone liked a book you hate, doesn't mean you will hate the other books they like.

So much this, and it's why recommendation engines mostly don't work well, they really have no way to quantify why you liked or disliked something.

wkat4242 10/29/2024|||
True. I hated the three body problem in fact but I loved the expanse (yes both franchises I know from TV). But I read all the expanse books. I gave up on the three body problem halfway the second book, I just found the story too boring and hardball.

Not saying the books are bad but preferences differ indeed.

__rito__ 10/29/2024|||
That's a poor way to find good books?

I liked 3BP, and I also liked Permutation City and Cryptonomicon. Yet I met a lot of people who didn't like 3BP, but liked the latter ones.

romanhn 10/29/2024||
Hah, and I liked 3BP but didn't care much for Egan's books (excellent ideas, poor writing IMO).
bwb 10/29/2024|||
Ya I am working on this :)

Our new Book DNA review format has you pick why you disliked/loved/liked a book and I am going to use that data to help build a profile of similar types of readers.

You can try it here by sharing your 3 fav books of 2024 -> https://shepherd.com/bboy/my-3-fav-reads

Next year I will roll it out for all books as we get more in place.

pavel_lishin 10/29/2024||
I think it depends on why someone disliked a book.

I liked the first novel in the Three Body Problem series, but mostly because it exposed me to a culture I wasn't really familiar with; there was a lot about China I didn't know, and it was interesting to read about characters who lived and breathed that history.

But the rest of the novel, and the sequels, mostly to me felt like re-treading ground that I'd already walked in other novels, which did a better job of exploring those ideas.

(To be more specific, because I'm sure folks will ask - I think Stephen Baxter does a better job of building interesting, mostly-consistent-to-my-eye universe-wide physics puzzles, although nearly all of his books are depressing as hell. The closest thing to a happy ending in most of his novels is "it's not a complete genocide!")

musha68k 10/28/2024||
More modern / post cyberpunk maybe but would add Infinite Detail by Tim Maughan. I really liked the premise and the organic feel vs a lot of other science fiction.

https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374175412/infinitedetail

daoboy 10/28/2024|
The Bobiverse Series by Dennis Taylor.

These books aren't anything that will change your life, but they're well written and a lot of fun.

strofocles 10/29/2024||
I wonder how much "well written" is a matter of taste (I thought it wasn't that much). I found "We Are Legion" very poorly written although I loved the premise and really wanted to read it but couldn't go any further then maybe a quarter of it. It also happened to me with Murakami's Kafka On The Shore but I blame that on the translation or some cultural impedance mismatch.
esperent 10/29/2024|||
I listened to this series as an audiobook and I enjoyed it a lot. I prefer reading to listening but this one worked really well and has a great narrator. It's a good series too, simple fun with decent jokes and a well paced plot.
dartharva 10/29/2024||
Seconded, Ray Porter is just too good of a narrator and whatever he does almost always tends to be entertaining.
bwb 10/28/2024||
This is one of my all-time favorite series. I laugh so much reading them, and the later books go heavy into really interesting alien species. Authors love them as well: https://shepherd.com/search/book/38814

Have you read any Peter Hamilton? He is another fav of mine.

daoboy 10/28/2024||
I have not read Peter Hamilton, but always looking for new good books. Thanks for the recommendation!
bwb 10/28/2024||
I'd start with Pandora's Star, they are HUGE in scope, so its a big book but worth it IMO.
BillSaysThis 10/28/2024||
I'd start with the Night's Dawn trilogy, I've read most PFH except for his last few and those are my ATFs.
LargoLasskhyfv 10/29/2024|||
I've found the Mandel Trilogy to be entertaining, too. Could be thought of as some world-building for the much later ND? But not as epic. Just three normal paperbacks.
themadturk 10/28/2024|||
Night's Dawn was the first Hamilton I read...and I've read it once or twice since.
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