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Posted by tech234a 3/29/2025

Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account(infosec.exchange)
268 points | 282 commentspage 3
danielktdoranie 3/29/2025|
I avoid Microsoft products at any cost, and have done so since I began using computers in the 1980s. I suggest others do the same. The company and its practices are unethical and morally bankrupt: and those products don’t even work well. The more people who stop using Windows the less they will have control of gaming.
bentt 3/29/2025||
Save us SteamOS
CatWChainsaw 3/29/2025||
They want everyone using Microsoft accounts so they can turn computer usage into a subscription service, plus with Recall you get perfect telemetry. Panopticon is here and you pay for the pleasure.
codedokode 3/29/2025||
What happens if your online Windows account gets banned? How do you log in?
hulitu 3/29/2025|
> What happens if your online Windows account gets banned? How do you log in?

Tough, isn't it ? Your security is very important _for us_. Your privacy is very important _for us_. See PayPal, Stripe, Google and other "services" for examples.

To directly answer: I have a Win 10 without MS account. Disk got corrupted, chkdsk cannot repair, cannot boot. Checking messages on screen was something like "online chkdsk failed". Unplugging the ethernet cable "fixed" the issue.

ChrisArchitect 3/29/2025||
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43511073
nottorp 3/29/2025||
BTW is there still a way to disable the stupid pin login on windows 10 and/or 11?

One that works this week, what I found online did not help.

1vuio0pswjnm7 3/30/2025||
Why does Microsoft continue to publish a Windows 10 ISO.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10I...

Does MS try to force an automated upgrade on anyone who installs it.

sshine 3/29/2025|
Windows is the first thing that gets deleted on a new PC.

An acquaintance of mine works for Microsoft. Every time I meet him, he always tells me how much money hey makes. I'm sure it's double of what I earn when I have a good year. A big part of me wants to earn that money, too. But an unwavering part of me knows, I could never work for Microsoft.

At this point it is not just bitterness from their anti-Linux, anti-FOSS FUD days:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010201090600/http://www.dot-lie...

It is knowing that I don't align with their philosophies, at all.

I can feel it every time I try to use one of their broken, unloved UIs.

JFingleton 3/29/2025||
The thing is, Microsoft does make good software: Excel, Visual Studio, VSCode, Xbox.

I don't believe the problem is the engineers, the leadership of Windows fails to understand what the OS is meant for: getting out of the way so you can access the apps.

sshine 3/29/2025|||
C# is god software, too.

Yeah, Microsoft is a big place.

I heard the Acquired podcast episode on Microsoft, and I can’t pretend that their business strategies failed; they didn’t, and arguably it is the most successful company in history. I have a lot of respect for the business side.

And the things that rub me the wrong way are part of their success, e.g. embedding WWW into the OS early on.

The main reason I can’t work for them is their Vogon aesthetics. They’re like a square pair of shoes: not meant for you.

hilbert42 3/29/2025|||
"OS is meant for: getting out of the way so you can access the apps."

When I first got into computers an operating system was primarily known as a file-loader — a way or mechanism to load one's apps. Take CP/M as an example.

userbinator 3/29/2025|||
A big part of me wants to earn that money, too. But an unwavering part of me knows, I could never work for Microsoft.

Big Tech and big money is not just Microsoft --- there's Apple and Google too, but if you don't want to work for MS, then the latter two might be "same but different".

physicles 3/29/2025||
Always telling you how much money he makes? He sounds like a bundle of fun.
sshine 3/29/2025||
It’s without exception.

I’m sure it’s just because he likes money, and because we have very little in common.

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