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Posted by npalli 3/29/2025

What to Do(paulgraham.com)
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drweevil 3/29/2025|
Not the first time I find myself wishing there was some explanation about the flagging.
dang 3/30/2025||
The explanation is basically always the same: users flagged it.

Why? Who can say? One would have to ask them, and that wouldn't work anyhow.

echoangle 3/30/2025|||
Well you could have a dropdown with reasons when flagging, and hope that people select the real reason they are flagging it.
dang 3/30/2025||
When you say "hope", I think you're touching on the problem, which is that they wouldn't.
luckylion 3/30/2025|||
I did not flag this, but I've flagged stuff before that I don't want to see more of on HN because it feels like it would ruin what I enjoy. If I need "Person did X - What happened next will surprise you", I'd go to reddit, so I'll flag that type of low-quality content.

I don't know why people flagged this, but I often had the impression that PG's content ends up on the front page because he's PG, not because it's particularly interesting or noteworthy. Maybe the people flagging it feel similar.

archagon 3/30/2025||
Until I hear a vote of no confidence from Paul for YC’s current leadership, I have no interest in anything he has to say. After all, Elon Musk — the guy cheerfully and illegally dismantling the federal government, who called my friends “parasites” for taking benefits and apparently wants to see witnesses against the president executed, who enthusiastically supports far-right populist parties like the AfD and makes suspiciously Nazi-looking salutes on stage — is still invited to YC’s AI Startup School. Garry Tan, it seems, has no problem with any of this. I’m sure he relishes a new world order where he sits on the board of Yarvin’s fever dream government.

Want to do something good, Paul? Do everything in your power to stem the bleed of encroaching fascism and neo-reactionaryism. Put your reputation and wallet on the line. Be a leader. Otherwise, you’re just posting platitudes while one of the world’s great democracies dies an agonizing death by the hands of your peers.

aptj 3/30/2025||
Hey guys, while some of the criticism in the comments is pretty sound, keep in mind that genuine authors (and PG too) write first of all to entertain themselves, as a way to have a more clear reflection on their thinking. And they publish to learn from readers' responses.
smt88 3/30/2025||
I don't understand the point of your comment.

Are you saying we shouldn't take his seriously? We shouldn't take him literally? We should give him a pass for writing axiomatic drivel with nothing concrete or thoughtful in it?

amriksohata 3/30/2025||
Find a higher purpose
mylidlpony 3/29/2025||
> you should at least make sure that the new things you make don't net harm people or the world

That's rich coming from pg. Is he really in a position to dispense this valuable advice? Did he ever look back at his contributions to this world through this prism? Does he consider the impacts of friends he has, platforms he uses and promotes, posts he writes, on lives of other people? Does he think just withdrawing from new decisions made by (the thing) is enough to wash his hands from all the negative impacts such decisions cause? People tend to attribute good outcomes to their own contributions and hand wave bad ones to forces outside their control, and this article is a great case in point for this phenomena.

tim333 3/30/2025|
I don't think pg does net harm. Obviously funding hundreds of start ups you might think some iffy but overall it seems positive?
sam_lowry_ 3/29/2025||
Reminded me instantly of the 1845 text Who Is to Blame? [1] and the 1863 follow-up What Is to Be Done? [2] that defined progressive thought in Russian until the 1917 revolution.

But this text is so escapist... I am ashamed to have read it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Is_to_Blame%3F

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Is_to_Be_Done%3F_(novel)

lo_zamoyski 3/31/2025||
Such questions were part of a classical education, and in the past, no person with a university degree would not have had at least a basic speculative grasp of the subject. To respond, I would first want to make a few distinctions, as the language in the essay is muddled. I distinguish between three classes of acts that human beings can perform, namely, theoria, praxis, and poiesis.

1. theoria concerns acts that aim at knowledge, understanding, and wisdom; the aim is truth for its own sake

2. praxis concerns acts performed for their own sake; these are the primary subject of ethics, the practical philosophy

3. poiesis concerns acts of production where the end is distinct from the act that produces it as an effect

Paul claims that "[t]he most impressive thing humans can do is to think. It may be the most impressive thing that can be done". I agree that "thinking", or precisely the capacity for intentionality, abstraction of concepts, and the ability to reason about them (to which I would add the capacity to choose between apprehended alternatives) is, indeed, the most impressive and indeed most distinctive thing human beings are capable of. These constitute our rationality. However, what is the highest expression of this capacity? Paul claims that "the best kind of thinking, or more precisely the best proof that one has thought well, is to make good new things". This is confusing, as "the best kind of thinking" and "the best proof one has thought well" are talking about two different things. It's not clear what exactly the point here is in relation to the prior claim. Are we talking about the best kind of thinking or the best proof of having though well? And what about it?

"So what should one do? One should help people, and take care of the world. Those two are obvious. [...] Taking care of people and the world are shoulds in the sense that they're one's duty, but making good new things is a should in the sense that this is how to live to one's full potential."

Paul says such things are "duties" and that they are "obvious". Perhaps they are, in some sense, or perhaps these are hazy cultural attitudes he has absorbed that may not be obvious elsewhere, whether true or not. But what is the basis for such duties? What is their explanation? What is the basis of the good? Of morality? Of the normative (the "shoulds")?

The reason I harp on this point is because had Paul had a basic grasp of something like virtue ethics, he would have found that human nature is the foundation and basis for the objective good and thus for objective morality. He would have found the key that could systematically reconcile and explain and relate all these seemingly arbitrary "shoulds" he lists. He would have a basis for evaluating the place of theoria, praxis, and poiesis in the context of human nature, the good life, and the end of human life (its ultimate good).

We could then answer questions like "what is the best expression of human rationality?" Is it production as in poiesis? Or praxis? Or perhaps theoria? I claim it is theoria, and this does nothing to diminish the importance and the good of praxis or poiesis. They simply are not the highest expression of human rationality. They play supporting roles methodologically (and this is where Paul's comment about "proof of one has thought well" can enter the discussion), but they are not the end.

"There was a long stretch where in some parts of the world the answer became "Serve God," but in practice it was still considered good to be wise, brave, honest, temperate, and just, uphold tradition, and serve the public interest. [...] for example by saying, as some Christians have, that it's one's duty to make the most of one's God-given gifts. But this seems one of those casuistries people invented to evade the stern requirements of religion: you could spend time studying math instead of praying or performing acts of charity because otherwise you were rejecting a gift God had given you."

Why is "serving God" construed as distinct from "wise, brave, honest, temperate, and just" and so on? Why can't these be part of what it means to "serve God"? Why are we setting them in opposition as if they were in competition with one another rather than one and the same thing? Apparently, Paul is unaware of the parable of the talents in Matthew's gospel, or the five tasks given Mankind in Genesis by which Mankind better participates in the life of the Trinity, let alone the metaphysical "obviousness" of this being the case. The demonstrated grasp of "religion" in general (if we may even speak of it in general in any meaningful way) and "Christianity" in particular leave much to be desired, to put it mildly. I feel as if I'm reading the superficial tropes of a lazy observer rather than a sound grasp of the basics.

If anything, as Stanley Jaki among others argue, the reason why we saw an explosion of sustained scientific progress and techne in the West is because it follows from Christian principles, like the notion that all of the created order is inherently and totally intelligible (I would claim best expressed in John 1:1); that human beings are capable of grasping this intelligible reality (rooted, I would say, in the Imago Dei); the notion of the logos spermatikos; the distinction between creator (first causality) and created (second causality); the notion that human beings are "co-creators" (or "sub-creators", to use Tolkien's term) cooperating with God in the work of creation; and so on. These provide strong motivations to pursue this kind of work in a sustained and intense fashion. If you don't believe that the world is rational, that human beings can understand it, that it is somehow evil to investigate it, that religious texts are the only source of human knowledge (or even epistemically primary), that such texts can contradict truths known by unaided reason, that effort is futile and pointless, then you're not going to accomplish much.

"But there's nothing in it about taking care of the world or making new things, and that's a bit worrying, because it seems like this question should be a timeless one. [...] Obviously people only started to care about that once it became clear we could ruin it."

Obviously? I seem to recall Genesis giving men the authority of stewardship over the earth. I don't think the ancients doubted they could ruin the earth (ask a farmer), even if they did not know the scale at which we could eventually do so, but then this is not a matter of having or lacking said care, but a matter of prudential application of care.

"The traditional answers were answers to a slightly different question. They were answers to the question of how to be, rather than what to do."

Doing is act and being is act. Doing has as its ultimate end being, or else it is unintelligible. They are not opposed.

"Archimedes knew that he was the first to prove that a sphere has 2/3 the volume of the smallest enclosing cylinder and was very pleased about it. But you don't find ancient writers urging their readers to emulate him. They regarded him more as a prodigy than a model. [...] his contemporaries would have found it strange to treat as a distinct group, because the vein of people making new things ran at right angles to the social hierarchy."

I don't know what this means. He maintained relations with other scholars. Some scholars and philosophers ran their own schools (Plato, Aristotle, Pythagoras, etc), some did not.

smokel 3/30/2025||
> For most of history the question "What should one do?" got much the same answer everywhere

This is so not true, that I'd like to point the author, and people who think in a similar vein, to a very enjoyable podcast on the history of philosophy, namely the "History of Philosophy without any Gaps" [1].

Hopefully this will persuade you that there are many ways to think about what to do with the life that was given to you. Pick two random Greek philosophers and they would probably take opposing standpoints. And if Confucius might say that you should be wise, I guess that Lao Tse would promptly disagree.

Our Western culture has largely been shaped by Christian values, yet when I observe the ideas of the obscenely wealthy, I can only lament how little those values seem to be understood or embodied.

[1] https://historyofphilosophy.net/

abtinf 3/30/2025||
The author has a phd in philosophy.
smokel 3/30/2025|||
This comment is a bit puzzling to me.

The author of the podcast does indeed have a PhD in philosophy, but Paul Graham does not. The latter holds a PhD in computer science.

James_K 3/30/2025||
PG seems to love making grand statements like this regarding things about which he has little knowledge.
handfuloflight 3/29/2025|
"Make good new things" overlooks a critical tension: that goodness itself remains contested territory. The most transformative innovations reveal that creation's power cuts both ways. The printing press spread knowledge and literacy but also enabled propaganda wars and religious conflicts. Nuclear fission powers cities with clean energy but also destroyed Hiroshima & Nagasaki and created existential risk. The internet connects billions across continents while weakening community bonds and fragmenting our shared reality. Each breakthrough that advances humanity also challenges our moral certainties.

This suggests we need a fourth principle: "Cultivate discernment about goodness." Not merely as an afterthought, but as an essential companion to creation. Such discernment acknowledges that innovation contains both medicine and poison in the same vessel—and that our capacity to create has outpaced our ability to foresee consequences. And perhaps equally important is recognizing that meaningful contribution isn't always about creating anew, but often about cultivating what already exists: preserving, interpreting, and transmitting knowledge and practices in ways that transform both the cultivator and what is cultivated.

Yet Graham's framing—"What should one do?"—contains a deeper limitation. It positions ethics as an individual pursuit in an age where our greatest challenges are fundamentally collective. "What should one do?" seems personal, but in our connected world, doesn't the answer depend increasingly on what seven billion others are doing? When more people than ever can create or cultivate, our challenge becomes coordinating this massive, parallel work toward flourishing rather than conflict and destruction.

These principles aren't merely personal guideposts but the architecture for civilization's operating system. They point toward our central challenge: how to organize creativity and cultivation at planetary scale; how to balance the brilliant chaos of individual and organizational impetus with the steady hand of collective welfare. This balance requires new forms of governance that can channel our pursuits toward shared flourishing—neither controlling too tightly nor letting things run wild. It calls for institutions that learn and adapt as quickly as the world changes. And it asks us to embrace both freedom of pursuit and responsibility to others, seeing them as two sides of the same coin in a world where what you bring forth may shape my future.

The question isn't just what should I do, but what should we become?

Koshcheiushko 3/30/2025||
This is clearly chatgpt generated.
balamatom 3/30/2025|||
I don't think so. It's just in the kind of English that we are taught in order to become unable to be heard.

Even if it were GPT-generated, why do you say it as if that's a bad thing? I thought this forum was gushing about how great AI is!

dang 3/30/2025|||
Generated comments aren't allowed on HN, which is a place for conversation between humans.

(Preferably involving as little repetition as possible.)

balamatom 3/30/2025||
Ok. So if generated comments aren't allowed, and if repetition is discouraged, why do I keep seeing these repetitive "is this GPT" comments maybe not quite on every other post but virtually every day I read something on here?
dang 3/30/2025||
Because people post repetitive things anyway.

It's not as if one can control these things just by setting rules or asking nicely! The most we can do is influence things around the edges a little.

balamatom 3/31/2025||
Fair's fair. "Ok GPT" seems like a shitty dunk, is all. Real low-effort, and on people trying to think for themselves no less (who are thus providing the tastiest food for any scrapers! priorities!)
dang 3/31/2025||
> "Ok GPT" seems like a shitty dunk, is all.

I absolutely agree

Koshcheiushko 3/30/2025||||
I'm on HN to read about human written original/derived thinking.

If poll is taken, I think vast majority HN user won't prefer any AI generated comment.

These comments honestly just mock readers.

balamatom 3/31/2025||
>I think vast majority HN user won't prefer any AI generated comment.

Agreed! At the same time, there's a lot of content on here about AI, including AI-based content generation.

So, if HN users don't like being subjected to AI-generated content, why would they be OK with promoting AI, including foisting AI-based content upon others? Seems unfair, not to mention self-contradictory.

>These comments honestly just mock readers.

I looked through that poster's comment history and they seem to be participating in good faith.

People are also not great at identifying AI-generated content. (There was an experiment about AI-generated graphic art on ACX not too long ago, I assume the situation with text to be no different.)

And there's a style of "normative" English which the language models "know" by default (because they learned it from human-authored content). But nothing prevents humans from still writing in that style, and indeed many people think that this is how they writing should look in order to get their post across. (My parent comment was a joke about how readers do prioritize style over substance, and are pretty bad at identifying substance they don't already have at least some familiarity with.)

So, if that comment turned out to not be GPT-generated, you've just mocked someone for trying to share their thoughts in that way which (in their opinion) would be most accessible to others. How does that help anyone?

handfuloflight 4/1/2025||
This is what I get for attempting to write in that high HN fashion. I appreciate your considerate approach, though. Thank you.

Now I only wonder what kind of depth we missed out on from this accusation taking the forefront of my post's underlying thread.

balamatom 4/1/2025||
checks barometer Well, given we're about 6 levels deep, and on HN of all places... compute compute I guess we'd probably be either at the "recommendations to think in AAVE" or the "recommendations to start studying Russian" :-)))

Happy International Lying Day!

abenga 3/30/2025|||
If someone can't be bothered to write something, I can't be arsed to read it. I am not here to consume strings of text, but to interact with other people.
InsideOutSanta 3/30/2025|||
>Cultivate discernment about goodness

I love that. Once people realize how difficult it is to fully understand the ethical implications of one's actions, they often arrive at the defeatist conclusion that it simply doesn't matter, that there is no real difference between good and bad.

I love the idea of "cultivating discernment about goodness" because it produces agency and accountability.

beepbooptheory 3/29/2025|||
Totally agreed. While not bad, this all expresses a somewhat familiar loneliness in the world from a successful tech guy like pg. I think it just happens here:

> The most impressive thing humans can do is to think. It may be the most impressive thing that can be done.

Something like this has been a marker for humanism since Pico della Mirandolla's famous "Oration on the Dignity of Man," for sure, if not Aristotle before that. But there is another viewpoint and set of frameworks that privileges the sociality and capacity for working together of humans. Isn't it, at least arguably, more impressive what we can build only together, rather than what any one of us has thought up at a given time? Ideas feel destined, individuals are products of their time; if I am not going to manifest some creative idea, it seems inevitable someone else will eventually. With the individual, it could always be otherwise, e.g., all the Einsteins who die in sweatshops, etc.

But what could not be otherwise is the brute force and cunning of people in general. Its much easier to replace a single CEO than it is an entire workforce.

I am not trying to be too damning, there are certainly worse formulations out there, and perhaps this is all a matter of emphasis. I also don't expect a guy like Paul Graham to be anything other than this kind of individualist; there is some necessary investment into the ego in order to live in the world he does, its fine. There is just the tinge of disappointment for me that this is still where we are at, when the world has such a surplus of ideas and deficit in solidarity.

danaris 3/29/2025|||
> The printing press spread knowledge and literacy but also enabled propaganda wars and religious conflicts.

Not just that: it overturned existing power structures.

In particular, it democratized information in a never-before-seen way, and opened the door to universal literacy.

To many, many people, these in themselves would have seemed like the opposite of "good things". Even today, there are a great many people who believe strongly in the importance of top-down power structures and restricted information flow—and back in Gutenberg's day, there would have been many more, if only because that was what was common then.

And I believe this only enhances your primary point—that we need to "cultivate discernment about goodness". We need to not merely think about what is good for us, but what is good for all, and be honest with ourselves about those things.

wcfrobert 3/30/2025||
All new inventions have tendencies to overturn existing power structure (i.e. disrupt the status quo). It's probably why certain cultures disincentivize innovation and spurn entrepreneurs.

But I think creative destruction is a net good, and I'd argue that micro-dosing on revolutions is essential for dynamism and social mobility.

cloogshicer 3/29/2025||
Beautifully put. Thank you.
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