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Posted by giuliomagnifico 3/29/2025

When the physicists need burner phones, that's when you know America's changed(www.theguardian.com)
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NotYourLawyer 3/30/2025|
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dang 3/30/2025|
Since we've asked you many times to stop posting flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments to HN and you've continued to do it repeatedly, I've banned this account.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

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AlexeyBelov 3/31/2025||
dang, I have a question. I've found out that banned account can still post, it's just that their comments are automatically [dead]. But people still vouch for such comments regularly, so what does it actually mean to be banned?
dang 3/31/2025||
The main thing being banned means is that the account's posts are killed by default—that is, they begin in the [dead] state, which is removed from the default public view. Users who turn on the 'showdead' setting in their profile can see all the [dead] comments, but no one else can.

Occasionally, a [dead] post is actually good for HN. (Even banned accounts sometimes post good submissions or comments, and we don't necessarily want those to remain invisible.) In such cases, users can vouch for the [dead] post to unkill it, i.e. to take it out of the [dead] state and restore it to full public visibility. Only a tiny fraction of [dead] posts get restored in this way, so the vast majority of posts by banned accounts remain [dead].

We're sometimes asked why we allow banned accounts to continue to post to HN (albeit in a [dead] state). Wouldn't it be better to block them altogether? It's a bit counterintuitive, but this would actually be worse. Many of the banned users would simply create new accounts—and those comments would be publicly visible until we caught them and banned them again. So, paradoxically, allowing banned accounts to keep posting (but in a default-invisible state) is the way to minimize their effect on HN. Trying to restrict them further would just end up exposing more people to the abusive posts.

The main disadvantage of this design, in my experience, is that users sometimes forget that they turned 'showdead' on in their profile, and then wonder why they're seeing such dreadful stuff in the comments! So if you turn 'showdead' on, please remember what this means: you're basically signing up to see the worst stuff that the internet has to offer on this forum.

Why turn the setting on at all? Well, many HN users are the curious sort who either want to see everything under the hood, or who feel strongly about censorship and want the freedom to decide for themselves what they think about banned accounts. Also, not all the posts that end up in the [dead] state are bad—there are many ways for a good post to end up [dead] by mistake (including false positives by spam filters), and users with 'showdead' turn on are able to vouch for those and restore them.

AlexeyBelov 4/1/2025||
Thanks for the deep explanation. I understand the rationale, it's just I've seen pretty bad comments being vouched for (about as bad as could land you in the ban in the first place), so I wonder if there is any incentive to improve the commenting for the banned users.
dang 4/1/2025||
The solution there is to take vouching rights away from the accounts that are vouching for bad comments.

But what were these comments that you're referring to? If they're as bad as you say, I need to see them.

peepeepoopoo116 3/29/2025||
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rsoto2 3/29/2025||
Thanks mod, of course there is no secret police being built for use on college campuses.

(https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/federal-task-force-combat-ant...)

vvpan 3/29/2025||
You must be Russian, there is no term "yellow journalism" in English really.
MaysonL 3/29/2025|||
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism
vvpan 3/30/2025||
I misspoke - it is not used often compared to Russian. I have read that Wikipedia page before, yet I have not heard the term used in my 20+ years in the US and people do not know what I am talking about when I use it.

But what I am alluding to is that that account signed up just to leave that Russian-sounding comment. And now it has been flagged. Russo-bot.

steve-atx-7600 3/29/2025||
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p_j_w 3/29/2025||
If wearing a BLM t-shirt is enough to convince people to vote for the other party more than inciting a violent insurrection to overturn an election with zero evidence of malfeasance, then the American electorate is dumber than even the most cynical observer might believe.
bilbo0s 3/29/2025|||
Meh.

That’s what’s supposed to happen. The pendulums swing. It’s fairly definite at this point that the buyer’s remorse from trump will cause a swing back to the left. And so on and so forth.

If we’re going to insist on living in a two party system, then this is the consequence. This is how the system moderates.

The right and the left never moderate. It’s always the system that keeps order over time.

aaomidi 3/29/2025||
> will cause a swing back to the left.

We do not have a left. I honestly am impressed at the system that has somehow made the democrats seem like "the left".

They're quite literally right wing politicians. Their primary difference with Republicans are that "we have a good thing going for our pockets right now, let's not shock the boat too much."

There are _exceptions_ to democrats that may be considered _slightly left_, but those are exceptions. Not the norm.

brianmurphy 3/29/2025||
Not that old talking point. American left and right are judged on an American left/right scale.
krapp 3/29/2025||
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anonfordays 3/30/2025|||
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matthewmacleod 3/29/2025|||
Ultimately though this attitude is just "you shouldn't advocate for anything because the fascists might be emboldened". It's victim-blaming, and cowardly centrism. "This is really your fault; if you hadn't demanded things then we wouldn't be in this situation".

I do generally happen to think that diversity, gender equality, freedom of speech, and public health are causes that are important. I don't feel like being told to shut up about it because someone else is a fascist is very productive.

thrance 3/29/2025|||
Trump and his goons hate science and critical thinking. Supposed "gender ideology" or "woke mind-virus" are just dumb pretexts given to suppress anyone who would dare criticize them.
jeetoid 3/29/2025||
> Trump and his goons hate science and critical thinking

this is really entirely subjective and I'd be surprised if something like this isn't moderated for being flamebait

TimorousBestie 3/29/2025||
Is it really subjective, at this point? I could understand someone arguing this in 2015, but now?

The Trump administration drastically cut the budget of basically every govt agency that does or supports scientific research and decimated staffing. Is that not an objective fact? Is there some alternative one?

brianmurphy 3/29/2025||
Across the board budget cuts say nothing about supporting the scientific method. These university could easily fund their projects out of their massive multi-billion dollar endowments. We should ask why they aren't.
TimorousBestie 3/29/2025||
> Across the board budget cuts say nothing about supporting the scientific method.

Semantic nihilism. It’s a basic fact of political science that governments enact policies in order to achieve outcomes. Or if you prefer cybernetics, there’s always Stafford Beer: “The purpose of a system is what is does.”

freen 3/29/2025|||
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systemstops 3/29/2025||
This is idiotic. Also I've heard this quote multiple times the last few days - is it some meme?
freen 3/31/2025||
They say as Trump says “I’m not joking about a third term”.

What would conservatives done if Obama said the same? Trump is “ingroup” and the law only protects him, it does not bind him.

Obama? Definitely outgroup, and definitely bound by the law.

Liberalism, in the classic sense, is the opposite: the law protects and binds all, equally.

I doubt you are as “in group” as you might think you are.

systemstops 3/29/2025||
Not sure why this is being downvoted. Here is summary of numerous articles warning that political advocacy by scientists would backfire.

https://open.substack.com/pub/unsafescience/p/we-tried-to-wa...

rsoto2 3/29/2025||
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BJones12 3/29/2025||
The FBI got a warrant to search his house. That's not immigration-related.

https://www.idsnews.com/article/2025/03/iu-professor-bloomin...

HideousKojima 3/29/2025||
Damn, clearly must be for ideological crimes against the regime and not the hundreds of other actual crimes he might have committed. Rather than waiting a day or two for the actual charges to be published to the public, let's assume the former because orange man bad.
dpkirchner 3/29/2025||
Trump and his staff are indeed bad (obviously), so it is safe to assume the worst, and possibly be pleasantly surprised if/when it's shown to be a legitimate arrest.
khazhoux 3/29/2025||
> it is safe to assume the worst, and possibly be pleasantly surprised if/when it's shown to be a legitimate arrest.

Why would you make an assumption in this case with no evidence or data? Are you saying the majority of FBI arrests are now driven by politics? Would you be surprised to learn that there have been similar foreign national arrests under previous administrations?

j_bum 3/29/2025||
> The looming crisis in the US is beginning to remind people in Europe of the 1930s, when the UK and the US began to realise that Jewish scientists needed to be rescued from the Nazis.

I feel like I’m living on a different planet. I am not saying things are OK in the US at the moment, but … are you kidding me? This is one of the most asinine statements I’ve ever read.

fatbird 3/29/2025||
You need to look around you. People are being disappeared off the streets and sent to hard labor concentration camps in El Salvador. American scholars of fascism are literally fleeing the US saying "this is it!". The federal gov't is being dismantled wholesale. America has destroyed its relationships with Canada and Europe, crippled NATO, and is openly planning to annex foreign territories and countries.

This is it, friend. You're in it. The visible damage hasn't accumulated too much yet, but all the things that fascist regimes do, are being done now. You might argue that Americans are fighting back, that lawfirms targetted by EO are refusing to comply, that the ACLU is fighting in court, that protestors are in the streets. This was all happening in Germany in the mid 30s too. It didn't stop what happened, and the passivity of the "it's not that bad" crowd was a big part of that.

thrance 3/29/2025|||
The comparison is apt. Things didn't start that bad in Germany either. But day by day, reform after reform... Look back on the past, imagine hearing about a visiting french scientist getting detained at the border for having criticized the president under Obama, and realize how insane that would have been, how normal it seems today, how far this country has gotten and where it is currently headed.
j_bum 3/29/2025|||
I agree that it is insane what’s happening. I do not think this country is on a good trajectory.

But I think the analogy in TFA is also insane.

p_j_w 3/29/2025|||
> But I think the analogy in TFA is also insane.

Why? This change has happened over the course of a couple of months. The trajectory is there.

j_bum 3/29/2025||
TFA is equating the beginnings of the ethnic cleansings of a highly and historically persecuted peoples to the authoritative actions against politically active citizens and non-citizens. I’m sure there are many cases with classified rationale, and many that are also blatantly illegal.

I’ll keep reiterating: I don’t think what’s happening in the US is ok. But I also don’t think the analogy is ok.

fatbird 3/29/2025|||
Those politically active citizens and non-citizens have a fairly distinguishable ethnic slant. Your logic-chopping the analogy looks like rationalization.
LastTrain 3/30/2025|||
You stop A from happening so B doesn't happen. You Stop B from happening so C doesn't happen, and so on. Sure, it may not lead to ethnic cleansing, and likely will not, but it only can when people are complacent. Picking people up off the street for doing nothing illegal and depriving them of due process is a huge fucking deal, I can't help that a majority of people in this country are ignorant as to why. Re: "I'm sure there are many cases with classified rationale", this is your tell. You are perfectly fine with this happening here and there, which is dangerous to the rest of us.
thrance 3/29/2025||||
Time will tell I guess, let's hope it really is unwarranted.
cyberax 3/29/2025|||
> But I think the analogy in TFA is also insane.

That's what people in Russia were thinking in 2012. And now people there are literally arrested just for saying a wrong thing.

LastTrain 4/1/2025||
And here now too.
mnky9800n 3/29/2025|||
i think the comparison to nazi germany only muddies the waters. america is not nazi germany, it did not just get thrashed in ww1 and blamed for everyone's problems. it does not have the option to massively industrialize. everything is different. that doesn't mean america cannot turn into a fascist state if it feels like doing so. it means that the nuances as to what are going on in america right now is not the same nuances as what happened in germany 100 years ago and those nuances are important to understanding what is happening.
masterj 3/29/2025|||
Strong "This War Will Destabilize The Entire Mideast Region And Set Off A Global Shockwave Of Anti-Americanism vs. No It Won’t" vibes with this comment https://theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mi...
garciasn 3/29/2025|||
So; you believe it’s ok to deport people for exercising a core tenant of the US constitution?

I don’t.

j_bum 3/29/2025|||
This feels like such a bad faith question, but I’ll assume you’re not asking with mal-intent.

No, I don’t think it’s ok, and I don’t understand how you would make this assumption about my opinion unless you’re just speaking emotionally or intentionally rage baiting.

It’s like you didn’t read my comment.

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adhamsalama 3/29/2025||
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hnpolicestate 3/29/2025||
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umanwizard 3/29/2025|||
Someone can think something is bad, while simultaneously thinking it’s an exaggeration to liken it to Nazi persecution of Jews.
matthewmacleod 3/29/2025|||
Why do you feel this way – as in, why is this "asinine"?

Anecdotally, I work with many people who frequently travel to the US, as well as a fair few academics over there. There is a clear general consensus that people are significantly altering their plans to reconsider travel to the US, and that others are actively looking to relocate.

There is a very real—not imagined—possibility that some of those people will be subject to being rounded up and detained. The situation isn't obviously as severe as Nazi-era Germany, but it is absolutely true that people are being reminded of this. So why is the comparison anything other than apt?

graemep 3/29/2025|||
It is because the west has had a golden age that is over so they are overreacting to the end of it.

I have lived in a country far worse than the US is now or is likely to be - things like journalists being disappeared. Even there the Nazi comparison was excessive. People pushed back and things are much better now.

barrenko 3/29/2025|||
It was an overreaction during the first term, now it's apt. The destruction of America should be stopped immediately. But I fear we are at Thor: Ragnarok timeline now.
MiiMe19 3/29/2025||
>This political event is just like when the good guys fought the bad guys in the heckin' marvel movies !!

>Edit, thanks for the updoots kind strangers!!

BJones12 3/29/2025||
Catastrophizing may be a cognitive distortion, but it's also a behavior encouraged by certain political affiliations.
bilbo0s 3/29/2025||
Nah.

Just evolutionary biology and psychology.

You see an ‘other’.. Assume the worst.

That’s worked for hundreds of thousands of years. Millions actually.

Everyone does it. Because no one can help doing it. No one who is human anyway.

xqcgrek2 3/29/2025||
This is a thinly sourced opinion piece selling FUD.
croes 3/29/2025||
So you don’t think people don’t face negative consequences if the find evidence they don’t align with the president’s agenda.

They can still speak openly with risking their job or funding?

drstewart 3/29/2025||
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thegrim33 3/29/2025||
Yeah this is the last straw for me. This thread breaks pretty much every rule HN has, the comment thread is filled with absolutely vile, delusional, partisan hate and propaganda, it's been on the front page for hours and no moderator has decided to remove it, not enough users have flagged it to get rid of it, I'm officially giving up on HN at this point.

Not going to waste my time any longer flagging and downvoting political content and trying to keep HN good. The propagandists and hate have won and have majority control over it now. Every day a third of the front page is political/social/mainstream news content which isn't supposed to be here. Adios. Time to find the next place.

fmxsh 3/30/2025||
As a new HN user, I find it is saturated with political interests, and it is distracting... Well ignore it then... Yes, that's why I avoid Reddit etc. I try to ignore not just political discussions, but the atmosphere that inevitably seem to form in such a space.

Doesn't matter what side,... An echo chamber is bad regardless. If I want one, I would go elsewhere. Perhaps there's an idea in this community that "we are better than the rest, and can carry out political discussions, because, after all, we are right in our opinions, and we only do it when 'necessary'".

Aren't there a solution, like create HN/pol... Or create a separate TLD for it.

If you are going to have political content, can't there be a way to filter it out?

I limit myself to analyze the political stuff for the sport of pointing out bad rethorics and such, not because I care about either side or any side, but for the sake of analysis.

RugnirViking 3/30/2025|||
During trump's first term there was pressure for an experiment that was conducted on blocking political content. Sadly it was deemed to be okay to allow it to return. I think that was a wrong decision
krapp 3/29/2025|||
Bye.
bongodongobob 3/30/2025||
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anonfordays 3/30/2025||
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mixmastamyk 3/29/2025||
The sad fact is that everyone needs a “burner” laptop and phone these days for travel. Not limited to the trump administration either.
andix 3/29/2025||
You don't need a "burner" laptop/phone for entering the European Union. There are no routine checks of electronic devices except the usual x-ray machines.
graemep 3/29/2025|||
Maybe not routine, but UK law allows police and border checks, and did so when we were in the EU. There are credible accusations of this power being over used and misused.
andix 3/29/2025||
The UK always had a very American position on those subjects. But they left the EU more than 5 years ago.
graemep 3/30/2025||
My point was being in the Eu did not preclude those laws and EU countries vary.

Some EU countries have more of a Russian position on these things!

I very much is a question of national, not EU law so you cannot generalise about the EU.

Where the EU does have laws on these things it has been very anti-privacy and pro-surveillance.

ohgr 3/29/2025||||
Yeah travel in and out of Europe all the time. No issues ever. Still devices are locked and encrypted though.
andix 3/29/2025||
Encryption is great, but in general it is not really needed, as long as you are not a suspect of a crime.
ohgr 3/29/2025||
It is required when you’re the victim of a crime however so it’s a good precaution.

(Had my phone swiped once)

If you have adequate physical security it is less necessary thus my home desktop is not encrypted.

atoav 3/29/2025|||
*when traveling to the USA or other nations with questionable stances towards basic human rights

A scientist should not worry about having a "wrong" finding about the actual world stored on their digital devices, period.

A don't have a burner phone and within the extended European continent never have felt the need to, including things like the Balkans.

mixmastamyk 3/29/2025||
Not about “shoulds.”

Five eyes, Russia, China, etc are happy you’re comfortable.

jltsiren 3/29/2025|||
Your employer may need them, but you probably don't.

Burner devices may work when you want to protect sensitive information the adversary does not already have. But if you are more worried about authorities making your life difficult, because they don't like you, burner devices may just make your situation worse. From their perspective, it's clear evidence that you are actively trying to hide something.

mixmastamyk 3/29/2025||
Overactive imagination. Lack of evidence is not evidence. Many people buy new devices on trips so not even out of the ordinary.
assimpleaspossi 3/29/2025||
I don't have either and travel everywhere. I see no need and have no need.

I don't get bothered and every one is nice to me. But I base my experience on what is in front of me and not what I read online.

Havoc 3/29/2025|||
>But I base my experience on what is in front of me

Problem with that approach is it makes you entirely blind to change right up until the moment you experience it personally.

It's entirely possible to have a dozen good encounters at borders and only the 13th is bad. Or maybe the situation changed in the last week and you just didn't travel in that timespan.

Casting the net a bit wider and considering other people's experience increases the sample size & liveness of data. (at the cost of some reliability ofc)

assimpleaspossi 3/29/2025||
One shouldn't base their experience on what they read on the internet either. The internet, and other people, is not your reality. If I lived my life based on the internet, I would never leave my house and have all kinds of security systems all over it (I have none now and see no need for them).

I have never been robbed, never broken into, never been shot at, never had my car stolen and don't know anyone who has.

Havoc 3/29/2025|||
>One shouldn't base their experience on what they read on the internet either.

Not saying you should, just that it is a valuable supplement

mixmastamyk 3/29/2025|||
Crossing unfriendly borders is not a normal occurrence and therefore modest precautions are warranted.
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renewiltord 3/29/2025||
The people opposing these things do themselves a serious disservice by conflating someone who attended the funeral of the top guy of a designated terrorist group with the biologist moving biomaterial between research labs.

Now every time I hear one of these stories I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop and hear about how the frog biologist attended Prigozhin’s funeral (purely out of recognition for his work as a chef, of course)

whatshisface 3/29/2025||
There are in reality only two types of actions, those that are illegal, and those that you think you have every right to do.
renewiltord 3/29/2025|||
Fair enough, the government has every right to deport the frog biologist. It’s not illegal for them to do so. Regardless, I think they should not have.
selimthegrim 3/29/2025||
I must’ve missed all the people we deported for attending IRA funerals.
renewiltord 3/30/2025||
Personally, I prefer that we are not consistent with three decades past. Gay marriage wasn’t recognized back then and so on. So I’m not surprised we’re inconsistent with that time. Over the period of one or two admins I prefer some degree of consistency but over three decades? Not so much.

If we had back then it wouldn’t have struck me as crazy if we’d considered the IRA a terrorist group. That we didn’t do this doesn’t mean we’re locked out of it forever.

rsoto2 3/29/2025|||
Right, because the entire US/Israeli/NATO apparatus isn't responsible for terrorizing and murdering tens of _thousands_ of children in Palestine. No, that is a just execution of children, surely, at least that's what a dutiful netizen believes.
tdeck 3/29/2025|||
We've got US Senator John Fetterman making a trip to Israel to get a silver plated pager from Netanyahu and publicly joke about a terrorist attack that killed children. The US is surreal sometimes.
renewiltord 3/29/2025|||
I think it would be unsurprising to me if Palestine deported an American who attended an Israeli general’s funeral. I’d say “hmm, yeah, makes sense”.
umanwizard 3/29/2025|||
The Palestinian Authority doesn’t control who is allowed to enter and live there; Israel does. So “Palestine” has no way to deport anyone.
khazhoux 3/29/2025||
Then replace "Palestine" with the name of any nearby nation.
timewizard 3/29/2025|||
> who attended the funeral of the top guy of a designated terrorist group

Designated by whom? I personally have never once felt "terror" from the existence of Hamas nor do I feel confronted by those who would go to the funerals of it's leaders.

tqi 3/29/2025|||
By the government of this country and many others.
timewizard 3/29/2025||
It was by the US State Department in 1997.

Those are either some seriously tricky terrorists or this designation was never meaningful to the citizens of this country.

141205 3/29/2025|||
Wonderful, now we're at a point where Hacker News has people defending a fundamentalist antisemitic hate group that's quite literally performed suicide bombings and launched rockets at civilians.

Maybe you haven't felt terror from them because you aren't one of the innocent Jewish civilians who have been deliberately targeted. Can you go back to reddit where your similarly deranged opinions are tolerated, and stay off of what is meant to be a relatively sane forum?

tqi 3/29/2025||
Who said Ted Bundy was a serial killer? Never murdered me, so...
tdeck 3/29/2025|||
Ah, the old trope of pretending to give a movement advice so they don't "do a disservice" to their cause, advice which just happens to be about throwing marginalized people under the bus yet again.

It's as transparent as it is craven. In the 1960s 50% of white people polled said that MLK was hurting the effort for civil rights. It's because they didn't want to want those civil rights to begin with, in the same way that you're clearly totally cool with the genocide and don't want rights for those who opposed it.

jimbob45 3/29/2025||
Would these people feel the same if he’d attended Hitler’s funeral rather than a Hamas funeral?
tialaramex 3/29/2025|||
"In accordance with Hitler's wishes, their corpses were carried outside to the garden behind the Reich Chancellery, where they were placed in a bomb crater, doused with petrol, and set on fire"

I would describe attending this "funeral" as merely "arriving too late". Hitler was dead, Germany was in ruins.

I'd have more questions about somebody who travelled for the funeral of Levrentiy Beria, because it appears some people (unaware, or deliberately without thinking about what Hitler had ordered done) liked Hitler, I can't find any records of people who liked Beria, they only feared him.

freen 3/29/2025|||
True advocate for freedom of speech here.
tredre3 3/29/2025|
The title is trying to imply that people are being targeted for being physicists or other "benign" scientific work, but that is not the case; Their expressed political opinions are why they're targeted. It's still wrong, it's still bad, but there's no need to mislead people.
nedamd 3/29/2025||
Being scientist is ideally a quest for finding truth or at least try that. We are in an era where the truth is considered very political and there are very clear indications that in the US funding science and scientists in general is not welcomed anymore. Calls for dismantling NSF/NIH is not hiding or their proponents are shy from expressing what they are trying to pursue.

The idea that politics and science as a practice is separated is a myth.

ryandrake 3/29/2025||
Also, griefing scientists, academics and the "educated elite" has been a priority to Republicans for at least a decade. They specifically run on platforms of "sticking it to those snobby experts," and their electorate eat it up. We've seen a huge anti-intellectual and anti-expertise cultural shift in the last 10 years.
roxolotl 3/29/2025|||
There is no such thing as benign scientific work. Questioning the nature of reality at its core is a radical act. As we’re seeing with tons of biology research there are right and wrong questions. It is only time till that spreads.
rsoto2 3/29/2025|||
No, the title is implying when professors are being targeted that's when fascism is here; because that's sort of historically what has happened(and it has been historically based on political beliefs, race, or physical appearance)

CS Professor arrested today https://www.reddit.com/r/immigration/comments/1jmrtzz/indian...

drstewart 3/29/2025||
>CS Professor arrested today

So? Does being a professor give you some kind of immunity against crimes?

JumpCrisscross 3/29/2025|||
> Does being a professor give you some kind of immunity against crimes?

The state has been able to prove precisely zero crimes in a court of law thus far. By Rubio’s admission, they may be arresting without warrants. The criminals are the ones covering their faces while pretending to act under the colour of law.

drstewart 3/29/2025|||
>The state has been able to prove precisely zero crimes in a court of law thus far.

Wow, in your country does the entire criminal justice process take place in the course of the same day of the arrest? Interesting. Care to share details?

JumpCrisscross 3/29/2025|||
> in your country does the entire criminal justice process take place in the course of the same day of the arrest? Interesting

No, in my country--America--when an officer goes out to arrest someone for crimes, they typically need a warrant. I am unaware of a single one of these recent ICE arrests having even met that threshold.

Like, we've got plainsclothes officers wearing masks conducting illegal arrests and then a separate cadre of Stadtpolizei moving said warantlessly detained across state and national borders in a blatant attempt to outrun court orders. Each of these people is wilfully and knowingly breaking serious laws. They won't be punished under this administration. But we need to absolutely make an example out of them in the future.

drstewart 3/30/2025||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ToEvz-7trY
nocoolnametom 3/29/2025|||
And it'll be pretty easy to keep track of how many crimes they _do_ discover, because the first one will be trumpeted loudly everywhere, and then after that they'll use the entire list of people as though it's a partial example: "How do we know that this individual is not associated with <crimes>, as we've already seen with _countless_ examples, like <the unspoken entirety of the list of examples>?"
analog31 3/29/2025|||
The presumption that the person being arrested is suspected of a crime is being called into question.
atoav 3/29/2025|||
Scientists are people who for a living often need to cross international borders. The current administration has shown no respect for the Rule of Law and the borders are the place where you will be affected in the worst way if someone gets provoked by something. Lawful or not, you may not be on US soil yet when it happens.
fatbird 3/29/2025||
Is properly carried-out science in the area of climate change "benign" to the Trump administration?