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Posted by tlogan 3/31/2025

Marine Le Pen banned from running in 2027 and given four-year sentence(www.theguardian.com)
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Perfudital 3/31/2025|
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curiousgal 3/31/2025||
She's now the perfect candidate to run in the U.S.
d--b 3/31/2025||
We’ll see how it plays out, but this could be helping her party ultimately.

1. She is a woman. Her party is very conservative and a male figure would project more strength and attract voters that she might deter to parties further on the right (yes there are a few)

2. She is been here a long time, so she doesn’t exactly qualify as anti-establishment.

3. It makes the party looked harassed, and it is easy for them to state that “everyone is cheating, but they’re the only one paying for it”. Further cementing the image of the party as one of resistance.

4. She’s not good at debates. She gets destroyed every time.

I have been thinking for a long time that she’s the main reason why the far right doesn’t win in France. People would vote a Trumpian president for sure.

jordanb 3/31/2025||
Her father was the original party leader and she was vastly more successful as a leader than him.
zahlman 4/1/2025||
> She is a woman. Her party is very conservative and a male figure would project more strength and attract voters that she might deter to parties further on the right (yes there are a few)

From what I've been able to discern, among countries that have had an elected female head of state, those women often - if not typically - represent the right wing of the local politics. The idea that conservative parties would disdain a female leader as "weak" strikes me as a strawman created by their political opponents. (However, female conservative candidates for leadership do seem uninterested in treating their gender as a reason to vote for them.)

> She is been here a long time, so she doesn’t exactly qualify as anti-establishment.

This fundamentally misunderstands the meaning of the term.

xqcgrek2 3/31/2025||
There needs to be democratic checks and balances against such a judiciary. Impeachment of undemocratic judges needs to be on the table.
pjc50 3/31/2025||
You're arguing that the conviction is unsound, or that the sentence I outside that permitted by the French legal code?
tick_tock_tick 3/31/2025||
I mean clearly the French legal code needs to be changed if this is a valid sentence seems to be the general consensus.
pjc50 3/31/2025||
Consensus among Americans on this site, which counts for very little.
tick_tock_tick 3/31/2025||
I'd bet if you put it to a vote in France you'd find very little appetite to ban her either.
kanbara 3/31/2025||
stop applying american ideas to the french system. europe has many checks and balances at several levels, and embezzling Union funds for your campaign does in fact make you not eligible to run for office for some time. it’s not even permanent.
tekla 3/31/2025|
Really making it hard to not believe that France is trying to ban a legal candidate by making this cute shim where everything BUT being able to run is subject to the appeals process.
furyg3 3/31/2025||
If you're caught using steroids before the race, you're banned from running in the race (and may be fined, and may face criminal charges). If you want to appeal that's fine, but you can't run in the race today.

She was caught improperly funneling EU funds to her own party (members), which would give her party an unfair advantage in any current political race.

tekla 3/31/2025||
I'm glad to live in a country has strict rules about being able to run for office that has an obscenely high bar before being taken away.
eclecticfrank 3/31/2025||
Being convicted of a crime is an obscenely high bar.
tekla 3/31/2025||
Good thing convicting a political opponent of a crime has never been used to crush dissidents.
johnbronnan 3/31/2025|||
Sorry, are you claiming that the independent judiciary who convicted her of embezzling funds considers her their "political opponent"? And that the sentence they handed down which is laid out by the French legal system is tantamount to "crushing dissidents"?
rsynnott 3/31/2025|||
I mean, possibly such 'dissidents' should refrain from doing multi-million euro frauds, in that case. Seems like asking for trouble.
phtrivier 3/31/2025|||
There are quite a few things were the sentence can be enforced even during the appeal.

For example, you can be jailed before your trial ; you can have your driving license overturned if you kill someone ; and, it turns out, you can get banned from running into élections if you're found guilty of embezzlement.

Fortunately for her, the next elections are in 2 years ; I would not be surprised is she get an appeal, a reduced ineligibility sentence to allow her to run in the next legislative election. And she might be happy with that - two round presidential elections are hard for her party, and, more importantly : winning an election is a _terrible_ situation in France.

soco 3/31/2025||
I'm fully aware that in other countries skirting or blatantly ignoring the courts is becoming practice, but I'm definitely not a fan of that practice.