Self-Hosting like it's 2025

Posted by finnlab 4/1/2025

Self-Hosting like it's 2025(kiranet.org)

221 points | 229 commentspage 4

ValdikSS 4/1/2025|

Nah, that doesn't look fun. Self-hosting in 2025 should look like Yunohost or Sandstorm.

crabmusket 4/1/2025||

I really like Sandstorm - it's a glimpse into an alternate world of how things could be.

brulard 4/2/2025||

I tried the demo, but I still don't get it. What is it? Is it supposed to be like a collection of productivity apps, like google docs/drive ? The demo worked poorly, I waited very long time for many interactions, some didn't work at all (like changing font on etherpad).

crabmusket 4/3/2025||

I agree the current experience is sonewhat unpolished. The docs explain the vision best: https://sandstorm.org/how-it-works

arnley 4/1/2025||

You sir know how to appreciate the simplicity such service providers deliver.

pjc50 4/1/2025||

I'd not heard of yunohost, so I went googling and found https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1ey9ayp/what_ma...

Seems like Docker has won so comprehensively that even more convenient (But unfamiliar) options are pushed to use it.

q2dg 4/1/2025||

Cockpit-podman can be an interesting Podman-centered alternative to Portainer et al.

johnmw 4/1/2025||

I recently came across another new one that looks really nice - Canine [0].

I haven't tried it myself yet. Has anybody else given it a spin?

[0]: https://canine.sh/

ltr_ 4/1/2025||

just want to say that, to self host feels like the 2000's, and that's a refreshing good thing, you feel in control, away for all the enshittification we are experiencing right know. I'm having a blast with a group of friends with netbird/tailscale, creating little projects in our forgejo instance with full CI/CD for the infra, and day by day we are adding more and more stuff, our own little internet. we learn things and talk about technical stuff while setting up and implementing them, its my favorite social network now. also f big tech.

drKarl 4/1/2025||

I found this which is kind of hosted self-hosting: https://www.pikapods.com/

mr_mitm 4/1/2025||

This site redirects to localhost:1313. Is this some sort of April fool's joke that I'm not getting?

    $ curl https://kiranet.org/self-hosting-like-its-2025/
    <!DOCTYPE html>
    <html lang="en">
      <head>
        <title>//localhost:1313/posts/self-hosting-like-its-2025/</title>
        <link rel="canonical" href="//localhost:1313/posts/self-hosting-like-its-2025/">
        <meta name="robots" content="noindex">
        <meta charset="utf-8">
        <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; url=//localhost:1313/posts/self-hosting-like-its-2025/">
      </head>
    </html>

montroser 4/1/2025||

Yeah... Is this performance art? Intentional or otherwise? It's a jungle out there on the Internet -- we should take self-hosting as an opportunity to _simplify_. It doesn't probably need to scale way up, and doesn't need to scale across many teams of people, so it's a good time to shed a few of those layers of abstraction and get back to basics.

k8sToGo 4/1/2025||

Now it's suddenly returning 404

finnlab 4/1/2025||

my bad, works now. Don't test in production...

spencerflem 4/1/2025||

Sandstorm.org has picked back up the pace of development recently, and is an excellent platform wrt sharing securely between multiple users

James_K 4/1/2025||

I tell you the real problem with self hosting: people using monospace fonts for body text.

MortyWaves 4/1/2025|

But mono fonts let the reader know they are reading Serious Technical Content ™

sceptic123 4/1/2025||

Why is the snark here downvoted, but not the original message?

MortyWaves 4/1/2025||

Doesn’t seem downvoted to me

sceptic123 4/3/2025||

enough people enjoyed it to upvote it again I guess, weird that I got a downvote here too

jagermo 4/1/2025||

i really like this software-centric approach, but I am a bit stuck when it comes to the hardware. Are there some sources around servers that don't suck up too much energy and are fairly quiet? What CPU is a good all-round solution?

brulard 4/1/2025|

Depends on your needs. For some Raspberry Pi (ideally with 8-16GB RAM) + SSD can be enough if you are after low power consumption.

If you need more power: I had success with HP ProDesk Mini (or any other one-litre PC), you can get these second hand from like $150 and extend RAM and SSDs however you like. You can even pick processor / generation to fit your needs best. These can have consumption from like 30W if I'm not mistaken.

I have no experience with real and expensive server hardware, but most people don't need that for a homelab.

Aachen 4/1/2025|||

> For some Raspberry Pi (ideally with 8-16GB RAM) + SSD can be enough

Wut? For many, a Raspberry Pi with 1 GB RAM and the regular sdcard can be enough, you really don't need to go fancy if you don't want to run anything particularly heavy. Or if it's cpu-intensive then you might need the newest Pi or something even beefier but still only the lowest RAM and smallest/slowest storage options (like for WordPress). As you say, it depends on needs

I always recommend using an old laptop to start out with because you've already got it anyway and it's already low power yet very powerful: if it can run graphical software from 2020 then it'll be fine as server until 2030 for anything standard like a web server (with half a dozen websites and databases, such as a link shortener, some data explorers, and my personal site), torrent box, VPN server, mail server, git server, IRC bouncer, Windows VM for some special software, chat bot, etc. all at once. At least, that's what I currently run on my 2012 laptop and the thing is idle nearly the whole time. Other advantages of a laptop include a built-in KVM console and UPS, at least while you still trust the old battery (one should detach and recycle that component after some years)

brulard 4/1/2025||

I don't know. I had run into problems building some packages for node and builing another tools with Cargo (i think) with 4 GB RAM. And if you going to experiment with containers, etc. I would definitely recommend starting at least at 8GB for a peace of mind. It doesn't cost a kidney nowadays.

Gracana 4/1/2025||||

You can get Mini-ITX server motherboards with IPMI and ECC memory if you want something robust and remotely-manageable while staying small and low power. I have a SuperMicro A2SDi-4C-HLN4F, which has a 16W intel atom C3558 and is quite old at this point, but it's fine for my little home network tasks.

skydhash 4/1/2025||||

I use an old mac mini. The two times the fan has come up was with me building ffmpeg and transcoding my music library. I us it as a file server, music server, amd jellyfin. And trying stuff.

jagermo 4/1/2025|||

that sounds doable. I have a raspberry pi with an SSD for my pihole (bit of overkill, but i had stuff lying around) but for things like Immich it seems to be not beefy enough.

espdev 4/1/2025|

Funny how the author doesn't give a single link in the post. The reader has to go searching, spend time to find the things the author writes about. Well, a simple example: Awesome-Selfhosted. Is it that hard to give a link? Is it some kind of phobia or religion that doesn't allow direct links on the internet? Really? Come on, it's hypertext! Where are the hyperlinks?

TobTobXX 4/1/2025|

The headers are hyperlinks.

espdev 4/1/2025||

Yes, the links are now in the headers. The author has updated the post.

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