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Posted by bentobean 4/2/2025

Mozilla launching “Thundermail” email service to take on Gmail, Microsoft 365(www.techradar.com)
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giancarlostoro 4/3/2025|
If Mozilla didnt waste money on dumb things I would sign up, but they could have done this long ago, and they definitely waste their income on dumb things. Like what happened to making Firefox fully oxidized? That would have made Rust drastically more mature and proven.
glenstein 4/3/2025||
>If Mozilla didnt waste money on dumb things

This has been repeated so many times that people seem to have forgotten they're supposed to actually make arguments to support it. There's no such thing as a missing browser feature that could have returned all the Firefox's market share that they were unable to make on account of spending on the VPN or acquiring Pocket or starting the VC fund or whatever. I don't know where this idea came from, but it seems to have been a mass collective hallucination.

I have problems with dabbling in ad tech. I have problems with strategic vision. But I have more problems with people being confidently wrong in the backwaters of internet comment sections not even pretending to attach these claims to any factual basis whatsoever. I mean if you really want to go look at a recent 990 form from Mozilla, look at the amount spent on browser development, make your best guess as to what it costs to administer the VPN, then make the case that the money used on it represents money that could have been invested in the browser development, but wasn't, make the case for the missing feature that would have otherwise been there, and then make the case that that would have boosted Mozilla's market share back to 33%. Those are all the missing steps of actual logic and reasoning and causation that would be necessary to substantiate this argument. But bafflingly, everyone just repeats this while skipping all the steps.

tristan957 4/3/2025|||
The Mozilla Corporation is not the organization behind this. It's MZLA Technologies, which is underneath the Mozilla Foundation.

Firefox was never going to be fully ported to Rust, at least not in any short timespan.

The amount of lies that get spread about the Mozilla Corporation and Firefox is insane. The fact that we continue to see it here in a thread about Thunderbird and MZLA Technologies is even crazier.

steveklabnik 4/3/2025||
> That would have made Rust drastically more mature and proven.

Rust's successes in a variety of codebases and in a variety of organizations does far more for maturing and proving Rust's value proposition than a single codebase would be.

guestbest 4/3/2025||
It’s so seamless for chat to become the medium that we mostly communicate with this AI industry that it’s a shame email, which may have come about first, a little hazy on the history, email didn’t become the means of which we communicate with AI tools
lblume 4/3/2025|
How would email be able to express anything the chat interface cannot? Attachments, tools, and long-form content are all well-supported. Email allows for asynchronous communication but that is usually not seen as a benefit - when I talk to AI I want a ~instant response, not wait for someone to check their mailbox.
intellectronica 4/2/2025||
Is this an April Fools leftover?..
sandyarmstrong 4/2/2025|
Gmail was also announced on April Fools'...
syntaxing 4/3/2025||
Seems like a Proton and Fastmail competitor more.
iteratethis 4/2/2025||
"Sipes confirmed Mozilla would ultimately end up charging for the features"

I totally understand why and it's fair, but if you want to take on gmail, you just lost. Google is dominant because most of its services are free.

PaulDavisThe1st 4/3/2025||
I'd love for that to be true, but Google through me out of their free tier a decade ago, and I've been paying various amounts for my wife and my accounts ever since.
glenstein 4/3/2025|||
I don't think the definition of success here has to be overtaking Gmail. In fact, I think that would be doomed to fail. Instead, you want to appeal to people willing to pay for an alternative, which I think is probably a real population of users and honestly one of Mozilla's best strategic moves in years.
drdaeman 4/3/2025|||
Services that take on Google can not just win over some user base but even become profitable (see Kagi's example), so it's not strictly about $0 price tag. But they gotta be really good (for some target audience), and the hard part is beating the already established offerings, of which there are plenty and covering for every kind of crowd I can think of. I wish MZLA luck, but given all the Mozilla Foundation history (which started amazing but is less than stellar in terms of recent PR) I'm quite skeptical.
NegativeK 4/3/2025||
Maybe it doesn't work at Mozilla's scale, but a business doesn't need to take overtake Gmail to win.
tiahura 4/3/2025||
Outlook allows several key productivity features that Thunderbird currently lacks. These include unified categories and tags across emails, events, contacts, and tasks; customizable views that consolidate all item types by category; the ability to drag emails or contacts directly into the calendar or task list to create new associated items; and precise control over reminder times for every item type. Without these integrated capabilities, Thunderbird cannot fully replicate Outlook’s seamless and interconnected workflow.
evolve2k 4/2/2025||
A few months ago I would have been excited and telling my friends and community. But no longer. My long term endorsement is over.

Trust once lost is not easily regained.

Fix your trust issue.

tristan957 4/3/2025|
What trust issues do you have with MZLA Technologies, the organization that currently develops Thunderbird?
crossroadsguy 4/3/2025||
> Usrs will be able to pick between thundermail.com and tb.pro domains.

That "Usrs" is not my typo. And what strange choices for domain names.

Anyway I hope they launch a custom domain supporting paid email service (and not go skimpy on details and features like, e.g., Apple's iCloud).

addicted 4/3/2025||
This is a step in the right direction. I worry it’s about 12 years too late.

The decision to reduce focus on Thunderbird was remarkably mistimed with the email client market just shooting through the roof with a bunch of orivate players being acquired for tens and hundreds of millions right after.

commandersaki 4/2/2025|
For me the two big things to assess will be how it handles aliases / catch all aliases and search.
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