Have the feeling that cheaper unethically sourced bodies would be the majority of the market, if ever usage of "spare" bodies were to happen.

Many states in the US switched from opt-in to opt-out for organ donation. Usually we get upset about such tactics, but this change seems to have been widely supported even though it is a form of coercion and has informed consent issues.

Indeed this is one of the big considerations of adoption or organ donation. Both revolutionized their respective markets: trafficking and involuntary organ trade. To say nothing of abortion and gay marriage - two much desired things in the US which nonetheless revolutionized the market for unethical embryo termination and involuntary marriage.

Kinda like prostitution where it has been legalized, in which the availability of ethically sourced human bodies (i.e., from licensed brothels) drives up the demand for unethically sourced bodies (sex trafficking).

Like Jevons' paradox?

They already did this in conflict zones.

It's funny how people strech the definition of things. But hey, if it worked for HD it shall work for everything.

Someday an influencer will make a YouTube video about how he grew a guy from an embryo model.

And Never Let Me Go, which was also made into a movie I believe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Let_Me_Go_(novel)

Which was a rip-off of: https://robincook.com/product/chromosome-6

On the contrary, as if you under any circumstances should lose your intelligence - I hope not - you would not be considerate a human being anymore. And if there's a market for such, the incentive to give you a - cartoon like - hammer on the head would be there, too.

Darwin barely mentioned the whole human species in his Origin of Species but it still inspired his cousin Francis Galton to develop Eugenics[1]: Whether you selectively bread humans to improve the species or dumb it down, who's to tell the difference? Darwin himself had less luck with his person contribution to the evolution of the species, his youngest being described as "backward in walking & talking, but intelligent and observant", which was surely due to him having married his cousin: "We are a wretched family & ought to be exterminated."[2]

The problem of a) people ruining their health and b) not having enough donor organs can be solved much easier by encouraging active transport over the personal 2t metal box, reducing sugar, salt and others in our processed foods and of course legislation to make organ donations possible even without the deceased having agreed before. The opt-out in countries like Austria and Spain raises the level of awareness but of course still needs excellent communication.

[1] https://rss.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1740-... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/jan/19/charles-darw...

RealDoll’s CEO perks up.

"The Line" has always been a question with any moral dilemma.

History teaches us that coming up with categories of “not fully human” tends to very directly lead to awful behaviour.

> a mouse, are they then entitled to human rights,

Well, you said it yourself, they are entitled to a mouse's worth of moral rights :).

(i'm not addressing the parent post's author personally)

i start to consider this "human value == intelligence" line of thinking as hate speech, eugenetics-based racism, and endorsement of violence. no. human value is not based solely on intelligence level (whatever that would be - i doubt if scientists even broadly agree what intelligence is and how to measure it), but on being the member of the homo species. period. nothing else. a human is a human even he was born without an actual brain organ in his skull. stop killing the future of humanity.

> If we can create human bodies that never achieve an intelligence level beyond that of a sea slug, then surely nobody rational would be against using them for science

Most of them would become presidents of the USA. And no, i'm not talking about Trump.

and rick and morty :)

I thought that was because the lab meat competes with farmers. I can’t think of any similarly situated rival to the lab bodies for organ transplants that would lobby against it.