Posted by Leary 4/5/2025
There is a 2024 paper (40 pages) by Stephen Miran, chair of the Council of Economic Advisers, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43589350
The root of the economic imbalances lies in persistent dollar overvaluation that prevents the balancing of international trade, and this overvaluation is driven by inelastic demand for reserve assets. As global GDP grows, it becomes increasingly burdensome for the United States to finance the provision of reserve assets and the defense umbrella, as the manufacturing and tradeable sectors bear the brunt of the costs... Tariffs provide revenue, and if offset by currency adjustments, present minimal inflationary or otherwise adverse side effects.
https://financialpost.com/news/stephen-miran-economist-trump...> Miran.. points to Trump’s application of tariffs on China in 2018-2019, which he argues “passed with little discernible macroeconomic consequence.” He adds that during that time the U.S. dollar rose to offset the macroeconomic impact of the tariffs and resulted in significant revenue for the U.S. Treasury.. “The effective tariff rate on Chinese imports increased by 17.9 percentage points from the start of the trade war in 2018 to the maximum tariff rate in 2019,” the report said. “As the financial markets digested the news, the Chinese renminbi depreciated against the dollar over this period by 13.7 per cent, so that the after-tariff USD import price rose by 4.1 per cent.”
Next step is currency devaluation. Think I'm going to sell all my US stocks despite the recent battering as they're likely to fall further.
A sudden shock to tariff rates of the size proposed can result in financial market volatility. ... A second Trump Administration is likely therefore take steps to ensure large structural changes to the international tax code occur in ways that are minimally disruptive to markets and the economy
While President Trump has proposed a 10% tariff on the world as a whole, such a tariff is unlikely to be uniform across countries.
Oof.
Once tariffs begin increasing beyond 20% (on a broad, effective basis), they become welfare-reducing
Uh...
How can the U.S. get trading and security partners to agree to such a deal? First, there is the stick of tariffs. Second, there is the carrot of the defense umbrella and the risk of losing it.
Ukraine, Greenland, Canada... They've created so much doubt over the defense umbrella that they've really hurt their position here.
1.) Shock the market into dropping several hundred points on the S&P and Nasdaq indices, thereby making quite a bit of money on the way down and then back up again. and
2.) Lower tariffs in exchange for patronage from countries or specific businesses that want a port opened in this new trade firewall.
Donny reneged on that.
Other countries know that Donny is not trustworthy when it comes to deals. He will go back on them at any time.
You can't negotiate with a pigeon.
https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2025/02/b4067f888d9e-japa...
I don’t think can attribute the actions of Trump to intelligence or cunning.
it's just incompetence
real estate allows a lot of bullshit from a leader like this because they're not going to go in and give orders to the structural engineers or the electricians that can actually cause huge problems, the only thing a bullshit artist is going to influence are the outward appearances which are easy and you can't do so wrong that the building falls over. the thin facade can really just be whatever and you can always screw over a new set of suppliers or go bankrupt again and keep going
now the lifelong real estate scammer is taking that facade bullshit attitude which basically couldn't go wrong and directing towards the very impactful machinery of the global economy expecting the same kind of bluster to be the same kind of effective
it's not emotional reactions it's just stupidity, people who didn't understand things voted for the guy that puts on a much better show
and didn't vote for the people who put on a terrible show, displayed zero hutzpah, and have the attitude of "i know better than you" and "i told you so" and make no effort to hide it
Arrange a political debate right after a diplomatic tour, with huge jet-legs sleep loss?
free-trans-surgery with tax payer money?
no wonder that man went "fck this"
I just wonder if democrats simply gave up on the last election
The tariffs are for forcing the entire world to renegotiate anything that he is interested in. And that plan will work. They will ALL negotiate, with him holding the upper hand.
PS: Many of the replies suggest that countries can achieve independence of US companies and the US Dollar. While that is possible they forget a key weakness of democracies. Politicians are elected based on short-term benefits and avoidance of suffering. All those required actions to reach independence require serious long-term efforts that detrimentally impact the comfort of the respective voting population at least short-term. That's why those adjustments probably won't happen. Trump knows that and takes advantage of it. Countries not governed by a democratic system are usually led by an elite who'll be indifferent of pretty much anything we are debating here - they just want to obtain more power and wealth. And they'll be achieving this easier when they cooperate with who is factually the most powerful man on the planet.
Trump’s ship of fools is tossing the US to the sidelines of the global trade, in particular due to his inability to work with anyone else. EU is rearming, they won’t need “america’s protection”. Latin America (with the only exception being Argentina) is stronger than ever as a trade block, and getting courted by EU and China. Africa is aligning with China for a decade. India is going up the ladder, from US’s cheap labor center to a country producing goods for their own consumption. Even Israel seems completely uninterested in joining the “green list”.
Everyone will find more reliable trade partners, and the American people will be left hanging with this supposed “upper hand” trump supporters dream he has
Okay, let's have a look ... well, this statistic doesn't back up your claim:
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/exports/china
> Trump’s ship of fools
Which is actually part of his strategy. You need fools that commit outrageous claims, threats and actions. Then he can play the good cop when it makes sense and just fire the fool. That is basically applied game theory on a meta- and psychological level.
> Everyone will find more reliable trade partners
No, they won't and everybody knows that.
For someone who wants to sound smart citing “game theory”, you surely don’t sound very capable of seeing reality
> No, they won't and everybody knows that.
That's delusional. 70% of the world has China as their main trading partner. The world definitely can thrive without Coke, Facebook, Nike and McDonalds.
> That's delusional. 70% of the world has China as their main trading partner. The world definitely can thrive without Coke, Facebook, Nike and McDonalds.
How about Amazon, AWS, Microsoft, Azure, Google, Nvidia, 3M, Pfizer etc.?
If all of them leave to be replaced by the alternatives, local or european/chinese, that would definitely be net positive.
Firings that support this: Flynn, McCabe, Esper, Bolton
Firings that support Trump’s Razor: Comey, Sessions, Tillerson, Nielsen, Krebs
“The dumbest explanation is often the correct one.” tells us that the increase in information from those moves is uselessly low for both him and us. Nevertheless, if Trump is able to influence the rules, the accumulation of side effects of high strategic value gives his advisers something to work with.
All those supposed "people" are like your celebrities who promised to leave the country if Trump gets elected. Nobody left.
This is also a good example of a bad strategy from a game theoretic perspective.
They want X and threaten: if I don't get X then I'll do Y which is going to be bad for you and me. They don't get X and think: well, what's the point of sticking to my threat if I lost anyway. And that's a bluff. Trump would do X nonetheless and by that prove he's willing to suffer himself just to make you suffer as well. This is going to be remembered next time he makes a threat.
Trump already backpedaled on his tariffs a handful of times. I agree his strategy is bad, from a game theoretical perspective. He’s eroding trust with partners for nothing at all. Just like he ran all his businesses.
All of those other things, minus geography are influenced by the terrifs. Terrifs make economic incentives to invest in America, for America to gain comparative advantages, etc.