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Posted by adrianhon 4/7/2025

The Dire Wolf Is Back(www.newyorker.com)
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MisterTea 4/7/2025|
Paywalled so I have to ask, why the dire wolf? Why not an animal that humans drove to extinction like the dodo bird? Is it because dire wolves sound cool and were in video games?
shakna 4/7/2025||
> Colossal’s dire wolf work took a less invasive approach, isolating cells not from a tissue sample of a donor gray wolf, but from its blood. The cells they selected are known as endothelial progenitor cells (EPCs), which form the lining of blood vessels. The scientists then rewrote the 14 key genes in the cell’s nucleus to match those of the dire wolf; no ancient dire wolf DNA was actually spliced into the gray wolf’s genome. The edited nucleus was then transferred into a denucleated ovum. The scientists produced 45 engineered ova, which were allowed to develop into embryos in the lab. Those embryos were inserted into the wombs of two surrogate hound mixes, chosen mostly for their overall health and, not insignificantly, their size, since they’d be giving birth to large pups. In each mother, one embryo took hold and proceeded to a full-term pregnancy. (No dogs experienced a miscarriage or stillbirth.) On Oct. 1, 2024, the surrogates birthed Romulus and Remus. A few months later, Colossal repeated the procedure with another clutch of embryos and another surrogate mother. On Jan. 30, 2025, that dog gave birth to Khaleesi.

The process seems to have dictated this. They needed an easy surrogate, a dog, and wolves required no need of introducing anything new into the genome, it's "just" reactivating what is already there.

donalbrecht 4/7/2025|||
Haven’t read full article either. But dogs have an incredibly well studied genome and are generally incredibly well understood. And due to cloning efforts, performing implantation of lab grown embryos is established protocol. Wolves are also well studied and understood, so even tho dire wolves aren’t super closely related, the dog baseline is a great control.

This would be a lot harder to do with an extinct species we don’t know well.

altairprime 4/7/2025|||
Because Game of Thrones popularized the idea of a dire wolf as an exceedingly rare protector of children, which helps them persuade investors that there is a viable luxury market for this product. They named one “Khaleesi”, so it’s not a coincidental reference.
iSnow 4/7/2025|||
House of Stark will still be happy to hear their heraldic animal is back.

But yeah, clever marketing by this company.

Rebelgecko 4/8/2025||||
GRRM also helped fund the project
glacier5674 4/7/2025|||
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ashenke 4/7/2025|||
From the article, it looks like they have multiple teams working on multipe animals at the same time. But the dodo team is going slower than the mammoth and the wolf :

> Keyte added that her team was still a long way from bringing back the dodo. For one thing, the methods for growing and manipulating the embryonic precursors of avian sperm and eggs in a lab setting have been developed for only two birds: the chicken and, recently, the goose. Keyte said, “It’s been almost twenty years since culture conditions for the chicken were established, and those culture conditions have not worked for other bird species, even ones that are really closely related, like quail.” She added that, despite the dearth of related research, her team was getting better at growing the sperm-and-egg precursors in birds: “We’ve gotten to the point where we feel like we can start doing some migration assays”—a technique for studying how the cells in an early embryo begin to differentiate. Once the researchers got the basic method for growing bird cells down, they could use the technology not just to develop a dodo but also to help replenish populations of endangered birds. The team had already identified some species that could use the help.

Pet_Ant 4/7/2025|||
I'm guessing it's a mixture of practical concerns and something that captures the imagination of investors.
cactusfrog 4/7/2025|||
We have robust cloning protocols for dogs. For some reason dogs are really amenable to cloning.
JauntTrooper 4/7/2025|||
Birds are more difficult to clone than mammals. I don't think we've been able to clone one yet.

I hope to see a passenger pigeon one day though.

mcdonje 4/7/2025||
Searched for this. Passenger Pigeons are the #1 species I want resurrected.
globnomulous 4/7/2025|||
My guess is that it is indeed because they're charismatic megafauna.
projektfu 4/7/2025|||
I would guess that it has to do with much more available genetic information on dogs and more existing CRISPR work with them. However, I do not know if these wolves will give us a lot of information.

That said, the dodo is on Colossal's list of projects, along with the wooly mammoth and the thylacine (Tasmanian tiger).

nikolay 4/8/2025||
Meanwhile, we can't even heal sinus infections. Watch the video [0].

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyz8qS6piQY

ashenke 4/7/2025||
> "He explained that I was looking at a plan for a restored ecosystem. It was also a perfectly adapted money machine. There was a large area where the ancient elephants could graze, and this would be funded, in part, by carbon-offset payments from governments and corporations. The carbon value of a single elephant is about two million dollars, he told me. (An elephant increases biodiversity, in part, by spreading seeds in its dung and by crushing dense vegetation on forest floors, giving slow-growing trees the space to survive.) He added that the interesting educational opportunities and “sexiness factor” of Colossal’s creations would make its carbon credits “trade at a premium.”"

So it's a startup, valued at 10 billion?! How exactly do they plan to make money?

Seriously, could anything be more 21st-century? Resurrecting extinct animal species (ones that supposedly went extinct naturally, mind you, not because of humans – what's the point then?) just to reintroduce them into parks and sell carbon credits.

vrosas 4/7/2025|
The real prize is the technology and techniques to do this sort of stuff. CRISPR is a fascinating technology that we're just now seeing the benefits of[0]

0 - https://www.labiotech.eu/in-depth/crispr-technology-cure-dis...

SalmoShalazar 4/8/2025||
This is a marketing gimmick and a frankly fraudulent claim. They edited a few genes in a wolf genome and called it a job well done ready for marketing. However, this is not a true recapitulation of the ancient genome of the dire wolf, rather a crude attempt at it. I’m not impressed.
tonijn 4/7/2025||
Very cool, but is it ethical?
burnished 4/7/2025||
Would it be ethical to let all this lightning striking the castle's copper spire go to waste?
bell-cot 4/7/2025|||
Ethically, how is it different from (say) Kentucky Kennels LLC trying to breed some Great Danes which drool less?
AIPedant 4/7/2025||
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wombatpm 4/7/2025|||
Mad Science means never having to ask “What’s the worst that can happen?”
krxci 4/7/2025|||
This is a deeply philosophical question. But it's highly dependent on the circumstances of a particular animal's extinction. Is it ethical to resurrect the Wolly Mammoth into our current climate when it's significantly warmer than the climate of the Ice Age? Likely not.

Was a species hunted to extinction? Maybe restoring that population would ease our collective conscience to some minuet degree.

So maybe bringing back some of these species is being done so as an apologetic gesture? Perhaps out of hubris?

To be fair, we're notoriously cruel to the animals that we farm for mass food production and less directly to wild animals (when human activity destroys their habitat). Images of such farm operations might remind you of conditions imposed on alleged dissedents by dictatorial regimes. You know, those same conditions that are condemned as atrocious when imposed on humans by humans. And this kind of treatment is still absolutely prevalent today on humans and other animals.

thomassmith65 4/7/2025|||
Is it ethical to make exaggerated claims in order to raise money? No.

The article is one red flag after another.

leesec 4/7/2025|||
Please provide the unethical case
api 4/7/2025|||
We cause lots of things to go extinct. Doesn't seem any worse.
evanb 4/7/2025||
Hmmm, are you suggesting that the scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could they didn't stop to think whether or not they should?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3j9muCo4o0

keepamovin 4/7/2025||
Subscribe now to witness the rise of the Dire Wolves, step by primal step: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPX4tm-J2bU

Colossal has just released a 1970s style nature documentary about the Dire Wolf pups (now quite large)

zombiwoof 4/7/2025||
What could go wrong
archagon 4/7/2025||
Winter is coming.
billnad 4/7/2025|
So disappointed that this isn't an article about the Grateful Dead
gambiting 4/7/2025||
I got really excited that it's about Minecraft's once popular modpack
natebc 4/7/2025||
Dire is still at it. New pack for Minecraft 1.21 updated as recently as a few weeks ago!

https://feed-the-beast.com/modpacks/126-ftb-presents-direwol...

You can even see some history/stats for all the Direwolf packs: https://feed-the-beast.com/modpacks?search=direwolf&sort=fea...

gambiting 4/8/2025||
Oooooh that's crazy - I thought it was long dead! Thanks for sharing!
2OEH8eoCRo0 4/7/2025||
In the timbers of fennario..
mikey-k 4/7/2025|||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK948fIFYpE
BoxOfRain 4/7/2025|||
The wolves are running round

The winter was so hard and cold

Froze ten feet 'neath the ground

Don't murder me, I beg of you don't murder me...

2OEH8eoCRo0 4/7/2025||
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