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Posted by sipofwater 4/9/2025

How to lock down your phone if you're traveling to the U.S.(www.washingtonpost.com)
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NoTeslaThrow 4/9/2025|
FWIW I wiped my phone entering the country and they ushered me right through anyway. Still, I was very concerned about finding texts from other people and getting them in trouble. I think the fear is the point more than the practicality as it stands.
BriggyDwiggs42 4/9/2025||
Wouldn’t the best method just be to buy a second phone prior to your crossing, use it for innocuous things, and leave your real one at home?
ryandrake 4/9/2025||
Or, just don't bring a phone.
BriggyDwiggs42 4/9/2025||
Wouldn’t that look suspicious these days?
AstralStorm 4/10/2025||
Having a beard looks suspicious too. Literally there's nothing that can also not having anything as a suspicion.

Too old phone? Suspicious. Too empty phone? Suspicious...

BriggyDwiggs42 4/10/2025||
Yeah it’s bullshit, but it’s still true that you can minimize the suspicion. Not having any kind of phone these days is likely very rare for people entering a US border crossing, a clean but used phone not so much. The goal is to blend in.
cs702 4/9/2025||
It's surreal for me to see such a headline and article on a major US newspaper.
dingnuts 4/9/2025||
we still have freedom of speech for now at least, actual citizens do, anyway
throwway120385 4/9/2025|||
The nutso thing is this idea that there is no freedom of speech for non-citizens. Now that we're eliminating birthright citizenship and allowing people to be deported to El Salvador with no due process it's pretty easy to just declare someone a non-citizen because they can't provide their great-great-great-great-grandmother's birth certificate from 1783 that proves that they have citizenship going back to the founding of the country, then just put you on a flight to wherever they want so that you can't hire a lawyer in the US to fight for you. The only reason that hairdresser has anyone speaking for him at the moment is because he has family in the US and they have been able to find a lawyer.
i80and 4/9/2025|||
In principle? As long as they don't make a quote-unquote "mistake" and rush you out of the country to their little El Salvador gulag before anybody can stop them or you can prove your citizenship.
selimthegrim 4/9/2025||
RFK did this to Carlos Marcello. Was it right then?
refurb 4/10/2025||
Really? Because this is old news.

The US, along with Canada, Australia, Germany and a few others have been asking people at the border to unlock their phones.

iteratethis 4/9/2025||
How about a strategy of malicious compliance?

Wallpaper is a US flag. Home screen shows Truth Social, X and 4-chan. Smartphone cover displays a roaring eagle.

anotherevan 4/9/2025||
> Before travelling, back up your devices so you don’t lose anything permanently.

Hah! Phones are a PITA to reliably backup and restore. I outlined the pain I had with it in this recentish comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42652663

joshdavham 4/9/2025||
> Data copied from devices during advanced searches at entry points into the U.S. gets saved for 15 years in a database searchable by thousands of CBP employees without a warrant.

This is incredibly sketchy. As a non-American (Canadian), I think I’d probably just prefer to be refused entry to the US at that point.

ty6853 4/9/2025||
Your country exchanges this information with the US, and the other five eyes countries. So it is even worse than just US CBP employees eyeing it.
esafak 4/9/2025||
I'm not sure information sharing with the US is going to last at this rate.
ty6853 4/9/2025||
Hopefully not, Canada likes to peak into US records for stuff like a DUI from years ago from some guy who slept in his car at the bar so he would not drive home drunk, resulting in a policeman arresting him and then him being barred from the usual process of entering Canada.

Canada ending their intelligence sharing with the US would be a big win for citizens in the US and Canada. They basically rely on sharing records with a government with a very hostile and notoriously flawed justice system (that in practice results in quite racist results) and then using it to judge US citizens, which favors other immigrants from countries with weak or less flawed criminal systems or ones that do not share information with Canada.

kccqzy 4/9/2025||
They can both store contents of your device and refuse retry.
vessenes 4/9/2025||
This article is a nice reminder that free speech is awesome.

Also, it is terribly unhelpful and uninformative.

Schneier’s blog post on this has tons of useful information in the comments: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2025/04/cell-phone-op...

The EFF wrote the canonical guide to this in 2017: https://www.eff.org/wp/digital-privacy-us-border-2017. I don’t know if it has been updated, but there is a lot that’s useful there.

I think the main thing to decide ahead of time is: will you unlock a phone on request, or are you willing to lose the powered-down phone or be denied entry if you refuse? Most of your decisions flow from there.

If unlocked and it leaves your sight, ALL your messages and photos and documents will be stored forever and are available warrantless in probably every country in the world.

ty6853 4/9/2025|
As a US citizen it is still a bit useful. You cannot be denied entry (CBP has told me they would deny me entry, but in the end they just threaten to revoke your passport which is also a lie). If they have decided they want to search your phone, they will tell you that you just have to answer the questions and they will let you out in time to catch your next flight or whatever. The truth is they are vicious liars, as I have found out, once they are that suspicious you have already missed your connection. Once you are in secondary they are usually going to fuck you no matter what so might as well assert your rights.
senderista 4/9/2025|||
They have always been assholes. I was detained by CBP back in 1997 returning from Europe (through O'Hare airport), even though all my papers were in order (I am a natural-born citizen and I had my passport) because I was overheard speaking Spanish (I was returning from a study-abroad trip to Spain). Someone actually demanded to know where in Mexico I was born, even though, as I said, I had my passport, state ID, and birth cert all right there with me. They just dumped me in a waiting room for 90m (long enough to miss my flight), then told me to go with no explanation or apology. On the way out someone laughed and told me they didn't know why I was detained but I "looked like a terrorist" (I had a full beard at the time). Mind you, this was before 9/11 so I'm sure it's worse now.
nico 4/9/2025||||
> might as well assert your rights

I wonder what could happen to citizens who weren’t born in the US

Given what we’ve seen recently. Could it be possible they would refer these people to the state department to revoke their citizenships?

wat10000 4/9/2025|||
As things currently stand, this wouldn't qualify for denaturalization. Even the Trump proposals have been to do it for fraudulently obtaining citizenship (e.g. lying about a criminal record), not general crimes, and certainly not for non-crimes like annoying CBP.

But next week it could all be different.

senderista 4/9/2025|||
I expect the first denaturalization case over political speech to be only a matter of time--perhaps weeks at this rate?
nico 4/9/2025|||
> fraudulently obtaining citizenship

It seems like they are claiming that “not saying you intended to protest” is essentially lying on the initial visa application, thus fraud and grounds for revocation of residence and deportation

So, if CBP confiscated someone’s laptop or phone (because they don’t want to unlock it), then break into it, and find social media posts against genocide, and/or against the Trump administration… given how they’ve acted, who knows what they’d do

wat10000 4/9/2025||
I'm deeply displeased with their treatment of legal residents here, but denaturalizing a citizen is about a million times more severe than deporting a legal resident alien. The executive has pretty much unlimited authority to decide which non-citizens are allowed to enter or stay within the country, and has for a long time, whereas that's not the case with denaturalization.
nico 4/11/2025|||
Not sure about denaturalization, but this is getting pretty extreme already (USCIS, effective immediately, is screening immigrants for criticism of Israel):

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnitedNations/comments/1jw8gyv/all_...

wat10000 4/11/2025||
It is, but this is still far less severe than denaturalizing a citizen. The executive has pretty much total discretion over which non-citizens they allow into the country. That power isn't anything new, it just wasn't abused like this before. Denaturalization for anything besides fraudulently obtaining citizenship would be a serious change, not just applying existing power in ugly ways.
ty6853 4/9/2025|||
Does knowingly blowing up a citizen with a drone count as denaturalization?
wat10000 4/9/2025||
Case in point. People are still talking about that one guy more than all the other victims combined.
kashunstva 4/9/2025|||
> they just threaten to revoke your passport which is also a lie

Insofar as the current regime has little or no respect for the rule of law, particularly due process, I can imagine them revoking someone's passport. The Secretary of State could certify that you have engaged in activities abroad that are opposed to U.S. foreign policy. On paper, the conditions for revocation are rather narrow. In practice with an adverse administration and a largely captured judicial branch, who knows? Either way, personally I don't care. No warrant - no looksies.

sipofwater 4/9/2025||
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metalman 4/9/2025|
the same phone, but with nothing usefull or important on it, no apps with personal info banking done through email sign in.....everything done through email sign in switching my email to webmail sign in, so there will be nothing on the device at all just random pics, sd card,music, meaningless files for jobs plus there is no password or encryption, want it? have it.......sims got a pass code though
aftbit 4/9/2025||
I wish Android had a better backup story. If you're using iOS, it's as simple as the article describes. If you use even modern Android on modern Pixel, backup only includes a fraction of what you need to recover. Things like Signal keys, 2FA tokens, and more were not included in my last backup.

GrapheneOS had an opportunity to do this 1000% better... and they instead ship a kinda broken fork of SeedVault, which they have been intending to replace for a long time now.

LWIRVoltage 4/9/2025||
This annoys me to no end and is a serious problem in my own use cases...

This is an issue I face- I have a collection of thermal cameras that use apps to control them- after every install onto a phone, they then reach out t oa server to authenticate.

Here's the issue- though I have a few older phones- these apps are 32 bit ones, so no modern phone after Android 13 will run them. And they are all now not on the app store anymore,as they all came out about around 2016. i did use a APK extractor to pull the APKs to store them - but the native backup functionality wouldn't capture that authorization in the future, I might rob myself of my ability to use some extremely expensive, and long-term invested capable hardware, by backing up and restoring-

I suspect a full image would solve this problem, but I don't think one can do that outside of things like TWRP- but that requires unlocking the bootloader, and if you do that it wipes your device- AND is more vulnerable to Custom's usage of Cellebrite and etc, to my undertanding.

I don't have this issue with laptops ,as I can fully image them and wipe and restore ahavend have a perfect replica/ no issues. But my thermal cameras do not run off of PC and th eform factor wouldn't work if they did

pseudalopex 4/10/2025||
iOS apps block backup of keys and tokens also. Android is the only platform where Signal supports message backup and restore.
xnx 4/9/2025|
Isn't it better to factory reset a phone before entering the US and then restore a backup?
dijit 4/9/2025||
Anything stored in secure storage would also be wiped.

Apple Pay cards and so forth, anything with 2FA codes, in Sweden we use "BankID" which is largely using a private key in secure storage and a pin to "sign" and "identify" people, you would be destroying those things in an unrecoverable way.

Also, restoring a phone takes a seriously long time (8-10hrs?) and some things might not restore. Music you might have saved for example.

Also, your restore process might be using the internet (which is also an issue), but if it's not: then you're bringing your backups with you most likely, so they're forfeit.

jeroenhd 4/9/2025||
> Also, restoring a phone takes a seriously long time (8-10hrs?) and some things might not restore

2FA is a pain to recover, but it shouldn't that _that_ long to restore a backup unless you don't have decent internet access. All of my important data and apps usually take maybe 2 hours to get back (including flashing the OS), 3 if you include 2FA recovery.

Local backups is kind of an interesting risk/reward situation. My phone usually spends most of its time downloading apps from Google Play when recovering, the data recovery itself is very quick. Just backing up the APKs (which do not contain anything interesting) would probably cut down my backup recovery time to less than half an hour. Of course, my pictures and music are all stored in self-hosted cloud services, if you care to keep a local copy then things will take longer.

dijit 4/9/2025||
> but it shouldn't that _that_ long to restore a backup unless you don't have decent internet access.

1) We're talking about people who are most likely going to be using 4/5G and Hotel Wifi. The US anyway is far behind on bandwidth, I get symmetrical 1G for "free" in Sweden, last time I was in the US it was $60/mo for 60MBit.

2) Phones have as much as 1TiB of storage, even at the speed of storage that'll take a hot minute.

Getting the 2FA codes set up while not having access to those 2FA codes is going to be interesting.

mystifyingpoi 4/9/2025||
> is going to be interesting

It all depends on the security pyramid you have, and how much risk are you okay with. I store all my passwords in Dropbox .kdbx file, but I need these always in case of emergency, even from a different device. So I must not enable 2FA on Dropbox. The password to it (and the .kdbx file) lives only in my memory. I hope not to get hit in the head.

jeroenhd 4/9/2025||
Entering with a completely clean phone is suspicious. To any border patrol agent intent on abusing their power, that screams "I'm trying to hide something and want to be detained for an unspecified amount of time".

If you're trying to protect your data, probably better to set up a secondary, plaubile profile, and restore from backup after crossing the border. Or to take a burner phone and buy a completely new one inside the US after crossing.

absolutelastone 4/9/2025||
Maybe it's suspicious in Silicon Valley, but I know plenty of people who make minimal use of their phone. In Japan, flip phones are supposed to still be fairly popular.
skyyler 4/9/2025||
There's a difference between "minimally used" and "fresh wiped" and it's not hard to sniff out.
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