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Posted by bookofjoe 4/11/2025

Our New AI Website Builder(wordpress.com)
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nadermx 4/11/2025|
Speaking of WordPress, hows the entire WordPress debacle going with Matt Mullenweg?
AlienRobot 4/11/2025||
For 99.99% of the people, it doesn't matter. Even if Wordpress stopped getting updates today, the code already works and it's open source, thanks in part to Matt for maintaining it for 20 years.

It was just the weekly Internet drama of the programming niche probably pumped by Youtubers and influencers in need for content to drive views and then by memes. Barely anything of substance was actually written about it.

After all, if Matt were such a negative factor in the project, it would be trivial to just take all the code and fork it and then for all the developers to just move to the new project. The fact that this didn't happen shows that there is non-trivial infrastructure being provided that is separate from the open source project. How do such smart people as programmers fail to understand this when they repeatedly conflate the open source project with the whole trademark/plugin hosting thing is beyond me. Does nobody question the whole thing before pointing fingers and picking their pitchforks?

I've seen a Youtuber who interviewed to Matt in one video and the Youtuber himself raised the point of hosting costs, and then in a next video they conflate the two concepts as if they had completely forgotten about everything they said and heard. It's surreal.

nrdgrrrl 4/11/2025||
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throwawaymatt 4/11/2025|||
They're still battling out in court, with a timeline that extends into 2027. Meanwhile: (very quick summary) Matt's pulled his developers off the project, and the release schedule has slowed. Some commercial vendors have increased their support, while others have pulled back. Meanwhile the ecosystem of devs and agencies basically shrugged it off. If we need to get rid of Matt we will (with big vendor support), no big deal.
Mystery-Machine 4/11/2025||
I believe it is actually Pretty Big Deal™.

No big deal on splitting the community in half? Matt will not go and you will have half the people supporting him, half forking the project. Actually less than half on each side, when you count in the people that will completely leave the ecosystem...

throwawaymatt 4/11/2025|||
Splitting the community in half? Nah. If Matt needs to go, the community who is more interested in just making money (we're not "post economic" like Matt) will move aggressively to cut him out like cancer.

Sure he controls a scary amount of the ecosystem NOW, but we've seen big vendors express interest in hosting repositories, and major plugin vendors move quickly to secure their distribution and update models.

My tiny agency has already mitigated many risks and shifted our support towards developers who see a future PostMatt™

We'll be fine because WordPress belongs to us, not Matt.

Implicated 4/11/2025||
Copium. Wordpress is dead. Argue all you want. 5 years from now the trajectory of installs/users/commercial opportunity will show that the last year was more than enough to incentivize/motivate the current and potential users to reach for something else. I say this as someone who makes my primary income managing a very large WP/WC shop.

Sure, WP isn't going away overnight. But it's dead in the water at this point. Literally like a dead whale, still going to support an ecosystem for some period of time. Though, it's peak is behind us and the unwinding was accelerated immeasurably.

fragmede 4/11/2025|||
WordPress is so dead. Vibecoding a page using next.js and using something like sanity so they can make their own changes gets clients so much more for less than WordPress ever did.
webspinner 4/11/2025|||
I love how you used the phrase "Wordpress is dead," and not the really trendy term everyone has been throwing around since January of last year.
sleepybrett 4/11/2025|||
IMO in my experience wordpress, as a project regardless of hosting, is coasting but in audience acquisition and new feature production.

They aren't acquiring new customers faster than they are losing existing customers. Squarespace and similar products are to eating it's proverbial lunch among a large portion of their audience (small to medium businesses who just want a website that is easy to update).

If some of the biggest hosters forked wordpress and started adding features that their customers are asking for, that wordpress the organization were ignoring or slow to produce, I think it would be a good thing. Providing wordpress the org with some motivation to compete.

cabalos 4/11/2025|||
Development has dropped off a cliff over the last couple of months. The release cycle has moved from quarterly to yearly. He's basically taking his ball and going home. My guess is we'll see more internal initiatives like this AI builder instead of focusing on the core product.

This would be an okay strategy if his core product wasn't in such a state of disrepair. I've seen multiple issues on Github projects from Automattic developers saying "this would be easy to fix upstream but we're not allow to fix anything in WordPress right now." It's pathetic and actively harming his own business.

molochai 4/11/2025|||
Disrepair is too right. 5k issues and 1.7k open PRs on the Gutenberg GitHub repository.

I wish this all had happened before Full Site Editing was put into .org.

johnebgd 4/11/2025|||
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cdolan 4/11/2025||
"it's pathetic that no other company benefiting from WordPress has stepped up either"

^<-- hard to justify doing so when Wordpress' package ecosystem (the open source platform) is tethered to Wordpress.org (matt's personal website)

cabalos 4/11/2025||
Also, good luck sending in a PR and getting it merged. Unless you are part of Matt’s inner circle, it isn’t happening. Even the most basic bug fix PRs are routinely ignored.
pluc 4/11/2025|||
They just laid off 16% of workers

https://www.theverge.com/news/642187/automattic-wordpress-la...

bslalwn 4/11/2025||
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kara4151 4/13/2025||
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croemer 4/11/2025||
Original title: "Just Say the Word—Try Our New AI Website Builder for Free"
dang 4/11/2025|
Yes. I've replaced the submitted title now - see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43657916 for more details.
webspinner 4/11/2025||
Personally, I wouldn't use anything coming out of there right now!
imagetic 4/11/2025||
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paul7986 4/11/2025|
chatGPT (pro at least) creates amazing logos in 30 seconds, amazing look websites around the logo you settled on and then codes the front-end (html,css,js). That can all be done in 5 minutes or less.

As UX Designer and UI Developer who does all the above (also do UX Research which anything where you interface with humans i think is safe for awhile) it's slightly disheartening to see my skill-sets future worth.....

Where I work we were told we can't use GPT and that is fine, but in what a year to three or five Im sure their stance will change.

morsecodist 4/11/2025|||
Can you say more? What are you doing specifically? I use AI for some things (mostly assisting with software development) and I have had a wildly different experience. I have used ChatGPT o1 and made some icons for internal apps so our employees can easily pick them from a list and the AI generated logos look just awful. I go with them because aesthetics don't matter for this use case they just need to be visually recognizable but it doesn't understand the concept of a logo it wouldn't even give me a white background let alone a transparent one.

I have had some success with some UI components but I usually need to massage them a bit and anything big or requiring a lot of changes it starts to trip over itself.

ToucanLoucan 4/11/2025|||
From an audience perspective, if you use an AI generated site, I'm just assuming your product is shit. And not even because I'm opposed to the way AI is being used in many places (though I am) but for the same reason I don't buy products that advertise with shitty commercials that look like they were filmed in 2006 on a budget of $500. If you don't have a marketing budget for proper advertising, I'm assuming your product is some fly-by-night garbage that's likely to break on first use, if not an outright scam.

Is that fair? No probably not, but I don't know what to tell you. That's always been a rule of thumb for me: if the marketing presence of anything, services, products, tooling, what have you is cheaply/poorly made, I avoid it. I always have almost instinctively.

Spivak 4/11/2025|||
It's pretty easy easy to detect copy from the major AIs since they have a distinctive voice but a website coded by AI won't be nearly as easy.
paul7986 4/11/2025|||
If you have GPT pro or know someone try it out .. create a logo with it then ask it to create a website around your chosen logo and then ask it to code the front-end. Im sure it can do the back-end code too. The logos and the web design it creates around the chosen logo look amazing .. extremely pro level. I'm not sure how you or anyone would be able to decipher if a website and or brand used chatGPT (pro). I'm betting no one would be able to tell just that it looks really good to great and professional!

Personally it's a wake up call for my skill-sets of over 15 years and that increasing my skillsets to 2025 modern day skill sets is best thing for me and any in my field!

rrr_oh_man 4/11/2025|||
> The logos and the web design it creates around the chosen logo look amazing .. extremely pro level

Loss of words.

I'd be happy to have your standards in life.

Spivak 4/11/2025|||
They do though— it's mostly because the pros aren't terribly good either. If your standards are "the top 0.001%" of graphic and web design then yeah, AI designs aren't on the level. But if your standards are simply as good or better than your typical professional design consulting firm then AI is knocking it out of the park.
rrr_oh_man 4/11/2025||
> good or better than your typical professional design consulting firm

Can you give me one example of a decent logo design made by ChatGPT that does exactly that — look good or better than your typical professional design consulting firm? I have literally tried today, but the results have been... very meh. :)

Spivak 4/11/2025||
That's no fun. Instead let's play a game. One of these logos was made by a professional design firm and cost over $1,000,000. The other two I just generated. The gap between well-known national brands with millions of dollars to hire the best and what normal companies actually get is massive.

https://imgur.com/a/5En58cl

rrr_oh_man 4/11/2025||
They are all pretty terrible, but I guess the rhombus-caret one is real.

The stripes one is rounded (looks shit when small), the complicated one is complicated for no reason.

Good logos work when black-and-white and when very small or very large.

And one more thing: The high cost of a rebrand isn’t paid for the logo or the redesign of stationary. It’s for the pain & process of aligning a committee of aloof decision-makers around a single choice.

cyral 4/11/2025|||
The new image generation released two weeks ago or so is a massive improvement, doesn't look like typical AI slop.

Everyone in these threads that dismisses AI needs to remember 5 years ago we didn't have somewhat human level intelligence that we could command to complete tasks in 30 seconds. There are a lot of cases where it fails right now, but imagine what it's going to look like in 5 or 10 more years. I think it's good to at least play around with it (prompt experimenting) to see what it can do, because your competitors, coworkers, etc are going to do that and get ahead whether you like it or not.

ToucanLoucan 4/11/2025|||
I will Pepsi challenge this at your convenience. Give me some links if you like.