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Posted by rbanffy 4/15/2025

Whistleblower details how DOGE may have taken sensitive NLRB data(www.npr.org)
1171 points | 542 commentspage 2
Mr_Eri_Atlov 4/18/2025|
The only point of DOGE is to cause as much irreparable damage as possible to American infrastructure.

It will go down as the most successful assault on America since 9/11 once the true scale of the damage is understood.

ck2 4/15/2025||
That backdoor code is going to lurk for decades.

Not only will Musk be able to tap into it for years but foreign governments.

bilbo0s 4/15/2025||
This is the real problem, and the reason we never should have allowed access to sensitive government and societal data in this fashion.
the_doctah 4/15/2025||
Pure ridiculous conjecture.
DrNosferatu 4/15/2025||
The “young and inexperienced” staffers narrative is very convenient to perform target operations on (specially) sensitive data.
DrNosferatu 4/16/2025|
*targeted
tehjoker 4/16/2025||
Makes sense, this is a lawless reactionary attack on the republic. Their purpose is to put capital ever more firmly in charge. That means attacking workers.
sherdil2022 4/16/2025||
Why isn’t this considered helping the enemy from within / treason?

Why are people being deported for no crimes or for far lesser crimes?

deepsun 4/16/2025|
It is. But since citizens don't do anything about it, they don't need to care.
jokoon 4/16/2025||
It's likely that this team was infiltrated by adversary countries
autoexec 4/16/2025|
I'd always assumed that we had three letter agencies whose entire job was to keep this sort of thing from happening, but it seems that none of them are concerned about protecting our government's secrets or even our democracy. What good is the panopticon if the watchers are asleep on the job?
jokoon 4/16/2025|||
Those agency can do their security work as long as there are laws and mandates about that.

But those agencies cannot do anything if an elected/named official decides to work for an adversary, since those agencies are under command of the elected/name official.

That's why democracy is beyond the scope of those agencies.

Those agencies are "fences" to protect a teenager from doing mistakes. But it cannot protect the teenager from setting himself on fire.

In my view, democracy was always vulnerable if the people or elected official can be convinced of whatever.

autoexec 4/16/2025||
> Those agency can do their security work as long as there are laws and mandates about that.

My understanding was that they routinely do their work far outside of the law. Because such agencies have demonstrated a willingness to violate the constitution of the US, lie to both congress and the president, overthrow the democratically elected leaders of sovereign nations, perform acts of torture, rape, human experimentation, assassination, etc. it seems odd that they'd suddenly shy away from taking any action now.

timschmidt 4/18/2025||
I only learned recently that during his first term, Trump didn't take the president's daily briefing from the CIA, but instead paid a private intelligence service to prepare one. With all the talk about draining the swamp, ending the deep state, releasing / attempting to release Kennedy assassination and Epstein documents, revoking security clearances, it seems like there would be means, motivation, and opportunity, so to speak.
autoexec 4/18/2025||
I hadn't heard that he'd paid an outside agency for them, but I did hear that he had the attention span of a toddler and in order to get him to read them at all they had to change the briefings to include a lot of exciting pictures and very short bullet points or write as if they were telling him a story instead of delivering a report while also adding his name as many times as possible in the text.
timschmidt 4/18/2025||
I'm not racing horses, but it seems like Dems took a similar attitude toward this administration to the polls, and found out. Underestimating folks is so dangerous. I'm just paying attention.
IOT_Apprentice 4/16/2025||||
They’ve all been either fired or out in a leash as musk collects all the PII and secrets in every agency & department and feeds it into a private subnet of his AI. His minions are certainly doing that.
pjc50 4/16/2025|||
The template here is not Nazi Germany but Pinochet. The CIA have backed right-wing authoritarianism everywhere else in the Americas, why not in America itself?

"Supporting democracy" in Latin America always meant anti-communism, even to the extent of ending free elections.

therealpygon 4/16/2025||
What is that saying they like to say all the time? “If you aren’t doing anything wrong, you should have nothing to fear.” Certainly seems like they are afraid of people seeing what they are doing for “not doing anything wrong”.
tyrrvk 4/15/2025||
This coupled with the hot mike incident yesterday where Trump was saying how El Salvador needed to build more mega prisons for the "home grown..terrorists" is beyond concerning. Sure sounds like DOGE is compiling lists of 'less desirable s' that will soon be swept off the streets in unmarked vans. America has turned fully fascist.
the_doctah 4/15/2025|
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dekhn 4/15/2025|||
slippery slope isn't a fallacy, and we're discussing matters that can't be directly analyzed using purely logical arguments.
daveguy 4/15/2025|||
Nah. It's getting pretty blatant, comrade.
campuscodi 4/15/2025||
DOGE staff are just behaving like a foreign cyber-espionage group at this point
9283409232 4/15/2025|
It should be clear at this point that DOGE is trying to create a unified database of all persons in the US for targeting. Every single bit of data that they can get about you from the government or social media will be tagged to you Minority Report style. They were clear about wanting to deport citizens to El Salvador as well. Once you are identified as the other side they will come for you. If you are waiting for it to get worse before taking action and getting involved, we are already at that point.

> And Berulis noticed that an unknown user had exported a "user roster," a file with contact information for outside lawyers who have worked with the NLRB.

Possibly looking for lawyers for Trump to target with EOs or blackmail.

ActorNightly 4/15/2025||
If someone is incompetent enough to understand Cobol databases, I doubt they are thinking about it on this level.

Given all of Musks actions, he is probably wanting to destroy any agency that went against him, because he truly believes he is the humanities savior and his companies are doing things the right way.

wormlord 4/15/2025|||
How you are getting downvotes is beyond me. People are finally waking up to the idea that the whole point of the Trump admin is to privatize the government, but haven't woken up to the fact that we are entering an era of state terror. Keep your heads buried HN, you'll be dragged kicking and screaming into reality in a few months anyways.
giraffe_lady 4/15/2025|||
It's extremely frustrating and something I've thought a lot about over the years where we were pretty obviously building towards this outcome. A couple things:

First the "average" american is softly but ideologically committed to liberalism¹ & democracy as fundamental values. From that perspective the mind kind of recoils from accepting this. If this is really what's happening, what does civic obligation demand of me? How does that reconcile with my inability to keep my family safe in the face of a motivated & powerful state that wishes to harm me through them? Easier to believe this isn't what is happening, I don't need to take action yet. A powerful example of motivated reasoning.

Second a significant part of the userbase here, as with the general population, supports some or all of these actions. Simple as.

¹ Like in the traditional sense, ie "a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, the right to private property, and equality before the law" from wikipedia.

9283409232 4/15/2025||
> Second a significant part of the userbase here, as with the general population, supports some or all of these actions. Simple as.

People support what they claim to do doing and are naive enough to believe they are doing what they say without asking questions about why they seem to be going out of there way to avoid transparency or providing any real evidence to their claims.

ActorNightly 4/15/2025||||
If the administration was even remotely competent, this would be scary. There is EASILY a list of things that they could do if they truly cared about going full authoritarian.

But when they start doing stuff like tarrifs for no reason what so ever, to the point where even Musk thinks its stupid, the situation is sad more than scary. US has lost its edge for literally nothing in return.

9283409232 4/15/2025||
Ignoring court orders, grabbing people off the streets to disappear, and publicly wondering how they can deport citizens isn't scary to you?
ActorNightly 4/16/2025||
I mean, scary is a relative term. Its just as scary as Trump being legally immune to anything he does, as granted by Supreme Court.

The Republicans are basically still at the mercy of the economy - Trump backed of tariffs real quick when Japan started selling off US debt on the cheap. So I don't think its going to get levels of Saddam Hussein authoritarian. But time will tell.

The thing is, just like in Russia, smart people will know when to leave, and will leave, which is good. As soon as it becomes economically better to work in EU, you will have lots of talented people immigrating there which will bolster their economy.

const_cast 4/15/2025|||
They're downvoting it because it feels bad. And well, it does! This sucks major ass.

Part of me is sympathetic to them because a lot of these people are people who live privileged lives and have never before been in any political pressure. These people have previously been able to just detach from politics because they knew, no matter what, they would end up on top. And now, that assumption is no longer true and they have the enter a world that a variety of minority groups have already been living in. They have to face the reality that politics isn't just something on the TV, but something that affects their lives.

gotoeleven 4/15/2025||
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mplanchard 4/15/2025|||
Not all illegal, no. While Abrego Garcia originally came to the country illegally, he was granted the ability to stay here legally, is married to a citizen, and had been dutifully checking in with his immigration officer yearly.
MyOutfitIsVague 4/15/2025||||
Yesterday, Trump was talking about sending "homegrown criminals" to El Salvador, asking for 5 prisons be built for the purpose.
Xlythe 4/15/2025||
Including anyone Trump still considers a "criminal" even after they've been acquitted by the courts.
pesus 4/15/2025||
And somehow doesn't apply to actual criminals like his cronies, supporters, or himself, despite being found guilty of 34 felonies.
rimunroe 4/15/2025|||
A) Trump wants to send “home grown” people there

B) You can’t know if someone is here illegally if they don’t have a way to challenge that claim. They could easily abduct you or anyone else and ship you off without allowing you to challenge it in court

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