Posted by todsacerdoti 4/19/2025
TINFOIL: Sometimes I always wondered if Azure or AWS used bots to push site traffic hits to generate money... they know you are hosted with them.. They have your info.. Send out bots to drive micro accumulation. Slow boil..
GCE is rare in my experience. Most bots I see are on AWS. The DDOS-adjacent hyper aggressive bots that try random URLs and scan for exploits tend to be on Azure or use VPNs.
AWS is bad when you report malicious traffic. Azure has been completely unresponsive and didn't react, even for C&C servers.
The companies selling us computers that supposedly know everything should pay for their database, or they should give away the knowledge they gained for free. Right now, the scraping and copying is free and the knowledge is behind a subscription to access a proprietary model that forms the basis of their business.
Humanity doesn't benefit, the snake oil salesmen do.
I do agree with you on the point that we need to find better ways to compensate the people creating content—especially considering that parts of this "AI service," as we might call it, are subscription-based.
But in the long run, I’m quite sure that if everyone shared this opinion, it wouldn't move us forward technologically.
Also, a couple of other points:
Google and others have been scraping the internet for years, and no one complained then.
You're not paying the AI company for the knowledge itself—you're paying for the technology behind it, for the ability to access and use it effectively.
Who said that?
There's basically two extremes:
1. We want access to all of human knowledge, now and forever, in order to monetise it and make more money for us, and us alone.
and
2. We don't want our freely available knowledge sold back to us, with no credits to the original authors.
2. You’re not paying just to have your own knowledge echoed back at you. You’re paying so that someone (or something) can read what you provide and, ideally, return improved knowledge or fresh insights. As I said above, you’re paying for the technology and its capabilities—not the knowledge itself. That’s how I see it.
You appear to be under the impression that there is only one hypocritical group.
That may well be true. But how many of those people are specifically against AI companies scraping the web? That’s not really an argument—it’s an assumption based on personal perception.
> Ask the average person if they want more or less of their lives recorded and stored.
What exactly is the "average person"? Also, I’ll admit my earlier claim was a bit exaggerated. But let’s be clear: this isn’t about recording personal data—it’s about collecting and structuring knowledge.
And beyond that: companies have been scraping the web for years. They still are. And they’re gathering far more personal data for online marketing, tracking, profiling—whatever the reason—and the so-called "average person" hasn’t raised much of a finger. People remain glued to platforms, willingly sharing their personal lives. And what do they get in return? Doomscrolling and five-second video clips.
It's not a crime if we do it with an app
https://pluralistic.net/2025/01/25/potatotrac/#carbo-loading