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Posted by miles 6 days ago

Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme(www.dublinlive.ie)
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DocTomoe 6 days ago|
My employer has had a "no visiting the US with your real hardware, get a burner phone / a burner laptop from our IT department" for years now. The only other countries that have that kind of rule are Myanmar and Iran.

The US is not a friendly country, not even to allies.

BurningFrog 6 days ago||
Let me just point out that the only source we have for this story is one angry Norwegian.

The only verified fact is that he was denied entry.

mpalmer 6 days ago||
It's pretty hard to corroborate a story like this. Everyone has to make their own judgment, but I cannot give the benefit of the doubt to the US government. What reason does this guy have to lie? If he was denied entry because of something actually illegal or non legit, why would he risk this exposure to make something up? If he wasn't denied entry and just decided to fly home and make up the lie, why pay for a vacation?
airforce1 6 days ago|||
> What reason does this guy have to lie?

It might not be 100% lies, it might be "based on a true story". The temptation to embellish/frame yourself as the faultless protagonist is instinctive and there are hundreds of examples of people doing it. Narrative shifts are super common in cases where facts are initially sparse and then more come to light... we don't have the whole context.

BurningFrog 6 days ago||||
It's probably impossible to corroborate this story. But that does not mean we can consider it corroborated!

One obvious reason to lie is that the real reason is embarrassing. Maybe he has criminal history, porn/nazi/fentanyl docs, what-have-you. Then when people ask why you was denied, you have to say something.

I'm absolutely not saying that he is lying! Only that we shouldn't blindly trust him.

JackFr 6 days ago|||
A reasonable news outlet would call CBP for a comment.

Something like "attempts to reach CBP for comment were unsuccessful." goes a long way. It's a tell that they don't. The story is too good not to print.

busterarm 6 days ago||
CBP does comment on these when asked! The previous one of these that went around even has a Snopes page with paragraphs of comments from DHS officials.
account42 5 days ago||
They have commented on this specific case, publicly: https://x.com/CBP/status/1937651325354795444
llm_nerd 6 days ago|||
Given that federal agencies have zero accountability to the legislative branch or the courts, or the constitution for that matter -- something that the constitutionalists suddenly aren't concerned about -- this is the best you're possibly going to get. And this story is hardly alone, and there are many similar tales. Canadians are being asked their position on Trump, which is as sure a demonstration possible that zero Canadians should be travelling to that country for any reason.

Do you expect the vile dog-shooting sociopath Kristi Noem to speak to this, given it's under her realm of extraordinary incompetence? Maybe she can play dressup to try to get some camera time.

For years we heard whines and cries about the politicization of government. Well the entire apparatus of the US federal government now wears a red hat and writes an essay declaring fealty to the king. It didn't take much for the country to collapse into a fallen idiocracy/husk of an autocracy, at least as a prelude for the utterly inevitable secessionist movement that is going to kick up to an 11.

thrance 5 days ago||
Do you ever get tired of spinning narratives in service of the regime? Do you feel like border agents have been acting lawfully and trustfully recently?
whirlwin 6 days ago||
The US is becoming more and more like the Soviet union was at some point - truly authoritarian. The same would possibly also happen in China of you had a picture of Xi Jinping. It's fascinating that "the land of the free" has come to this.
oceansky 6 days ago||
Does even China does that? Go through pics on your personal device at the border? Refuse entry over memes.
olalonde 6 days ago||
Nope, they barely even talk to you. I've crossed the Chinese border literally hundreds of times, mostly from Hong Kong. They usually don’t ask anything and if they do, it's just a basic "What's the purpose of your visit?" I’ve never had my bags searched or been sent to secondary inspection. Even crossed with one barefoot once (long story) and wasn't even asked about it.

In contrast, my worst border experiences have been in the U.S. and Canada (and I've traveled to over 30 countries).

In the US, I was nearly denied entry at SFO while on a valid TN visa simply because I didn't have a business card with me. The officer also referred to my wife as a "Chinese bitch" - within earshot (this happened during the Obama years). I had to let them handle my phone a bit to verify work emails, etc. But they didn't really search through it beyond that.

In Canada, I was sent to secondary inspection, had my bags searched, and was asked to show the photos on my phone. I was questioned for over an hour and they never told me the reason for it. It felt like they suspected me of smuggling drugs because the guy kept asking me what I had for breakfast... I'm Canadian btw and don't do drugs.

account42 6 days ago||
> They usually don’t ask anything and if they do, it's just a basic "What's the purpose of your visit?" I’ve never had my bags searched or been sent to secondary inspection.

FWIW in the US you usually also don't get asked more than that (not including questions on you Visa / visa exempt application) and searches are not standard procedure that everyone goes through.

seanmcdirmid 6 days ago|||
They have never gone through my phone, although I guess if they wanted to nothing would stop them. The immigration agents don't even ask questions most of the time, heck, I don't even here them speak on most of my entries.
raverbashing 6 days ago||
China is not worried about who enters. They're worried about who leaves
olalonde 6 days ago|||
They don't ask any questions when you leave either, unless you overstayed your visa. In that case, they just ask you to come back with money to pay the fine. It's actually kind of funny: they don’t detain you or anything, just politely tell you to find an ATM and come back when you have cash to pay the fine.
seanmcdirmid 6 days ago|||
This happened to my wife in Japan when we were trying to board the second try of our flight cancelled the day before. I told them "we don't have any Japanese money, and anyways, this was Delta's fault, so just get them to pay." We sat around for a half hour while they got Delta to pay her fine.
account42 6 days ago|||
Do they not have ATMs at the airport? Seems unnecessarily risky to not just take the opportunity to pay the fine as quickly as possible - visa overstays can easily end in detention in many (especially Asian) countries and not just in the US.

And while the delay might have been the airline's fault and possibly you could have a civil claim against them for damages incurred it is still your responsibility to have a valid Visa and not overstay it and also your responsibility to pay any fines for it (which you may or may not be able to get reimbursed).

seanmcdirmid 5 days ago||
They should have taken care of this when they brought us back into Japan after the flight was canceled (they didn’t catch it when the re admitted her into Japan and the visa was invalidated on her way out since it was single entry, and the flight was to the states so most passengers were visa waiver). And anyways, they were so apologetic that I didn’t really doubt that the Delta Japanese ground crew would just take care of it.

The really sad story is that the flight was canceled a second time after that drama, and we were really feeling a lot of emotions over that debacle. Suffice it to say we’ve sworn off delta for awhile.

throwawaysleep 6 days ago|||
I’m impressed that was successful.
account42 6 days ago|||
I don't know about about the specifics in China but amnesty for short overstays if they don't catch you on the street for it but you are actually trying to leave is not uncommon in the region. Longer overstays especially when not self-reported can easily end in detention though.
seanmcdirmid 4 days ago||
This was a paper work snafu, she was re-admitted into Japan by immigration officers after her visa was invalidated (because it was single entry and they cancelled the flight after we went through emigration). So it’s not like the violation was intentional or even avoidable.

China gives you a ten year unlimited entry visa, so it’s pretty hard to screw that up.

seanmcdirmid 6 days ago|||
They don't really speak then either, but ya, emigration checks is one thing that most countries have but the USA lacks for some reason.
paxys 6 days ago|||
Have been to China multiple times and no, this does not happen.
gruez 6 days ago||
To be fair something that makes the news isn't necessarily indicative of the median experience either. If US and China both looked through 0.1% of traveler's phones, that'd be both compatible with horror stories making the news, and widespread anecdotes of "weird, never happened to me".
TheOtherHobbes 6 days ago||
US visa applicants are required to disclose five years of social media history and to make listed accounts public.

https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

gruez 6 days ago||
>disclose five years of social media history

Where does it say that? Your source only says profiles need to be public

Moreover your description is slightly misleading because it only applies to "all applicants for F, M, and J nonimmigrant visas", which notably excludes tourism visas (B-2). The visas listed all seem to be academic related, presumably because the administration wants to crack down on woke ivy league students or whatever.

perihelions 6 days ago||
It was on HN yesterday,

> "THE US EMBASSY in Dublin is tightening its visa requirements, saying that future applicants looking to visit the country will be required to divulge “all social media usernames or handles of every platform they have used from the last five years” on their visa application form."

https://www.thejournal.ie/us-visa-changes-6740830-Jun2025/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44354298 (209 comments)

everfrustrated 6 days ago||
Irish citizens aren't using the US Embassy in Dublin to travel to the US. That is servicing non-Irish citizens with Irish residency.
knorker 6 days ago|||
Not when I went there. I needed a lot of paperwork for the visa at their embassy, and to surrender my passport for a few days, and a signed statement from my employer that I was not a journalist of any kind.

I got in. I was sent to some form of secondary screening, but they apparently couldn't find anybody who could speak English, so they just let me in.

Edit: I'm from a rich western country, in case it matters for anybody getting an understanding of who gets treated what way.

AnotherGoodName 6 days ago|||
I did get a weird interaction in China fwiw. Let in fine but at one point i sat down to have lunch at a restaurant and 2 English speaking police officers sat down at my table and started asking if i was doing well etc. I just chatted making sure not to say anything negative about the government, talked about tourist sites and they left, they were fine, no issue. Just a weird interaction.

I guess it's a routine part of China's paranoia. They definitely do do weird things to check if tourists are causing trouble in some way i guess. I imagine that sort of interaction alone would scare off trouble makers and it's probably effective honestly.

rfoo 6 days ago|||
Contrary to common belief, it's fine to say negative things about the government in this case, as long as you are not Chinese. They may argue with you (or laugh at you for some even weirder reasons) and you both may have an unpleasant conversation, but that's it.
csa 6 days ago|||
> I guess it's a routine part of China's paranoia. They definitely do do weird things to check if tourists are causing trouble in some way i guess.

I’m guessing you actually did something suspicious or illegal without realizing it.

A common and simple example of this is taking pictures where it’s technically forbidden — airports, military buildings (these aren’t always obvious to visitors), religious sites, etc.

Another example would be interacting with a person of interest. This could be a Chinese person that they are watching, or a foreigner that they are keeping tabs on (e.g., embassy staff that they suspect of being an agent).

As a tourist, you probably wouldn’t notice these things or even be aware that they are a red flag.

csa 5 days ago||
… or they wanted to practice their English.
nine_k 6 days ago|||
Did they check your social media accounts? Did these accounts contain any memes involving the current PRC administration?
knorker 6 days ago||
I don't recall them asking for any social media at any point. But I don't have Facebook, tiktok, instagram, snapchat, grinder, myspace, or other muggle social media.

I of course wouldn't know if they tried to find my profiles.

nine_k 6 days ago||
BTW not having profiles on mugg^W normie social media may be sometimes considered a red flag by itself, so I keep e.g. a reasonable Facebook profile, without posting anything.
account42 5 days ago||
YMMV but at least for US entry just listing GitHub (it's one of the options in the ESTA application) hasn't caused any "random" inspections for me so I'm not sure how much of a flag it really is on its own.
badgersnake 6 days ago|||
Not in my experience. They check your passport and your visa. Didn’t go anywhere near my phone. I wouldn’t be sharing Winnie the Pooh memes on WeChat though.
iLoveOncall 6 days ago|||
I'm sure it happens, and they also don't systematically check phones when entering the US, it's probably exceedingly rare and I've never witnessed it despite travelling to the US 3 times since Trump got elected.

Case in point this is only the 2nd story ever to come out about someone being detained / refused entry for content that was on their phone since Trump is president.

throwawayq3423 6 days ago|||
Yes they do, once you connect to cell service in China your data is comprised. As well as unlawful detentions and exit bans.

But we don't talk about that for whatever reason.

throwawayq3423 6 days ago||
compromised*
throwawaysleep 6 days ago||
Visited PRC several times. They didn’t even ask much of a reason for my visit beyond “tourism”.
jwkerr 6 days ago||
Is this a reputable source? Is it a coincidence that the subject shares the name Mads Mikkelsen, or is this just bad reporting?
eesmith 6 days ago||
Can you read Norwegian? https://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/to-bilder-spolerte-drommef... and https://www.nordlys.no/mads-sin-drommereise-til-usa-spolert-...

Coincidence.

smaslennikov 6 days ago||
A mad coincidence - I caught that as well.
mvdtnz 6 days ago||
USA is a country I have always wanted to visit. No more. I will never set foot in your country simply because I refuse to deal with your border force. There are plenty of other countries out there that won't treat me like a criminal. Have you ever dealt with Japanese border staff? They could hardly be more grateful to welcome you.
airforce1 6 days ago|
...unless you run afoul of any of their many obscure laws, even unintentionally. I had a relative travel to Japan with his family. He's into locksport (watches Lock Picking Lawyer, etc). He had some lock picking paraphernalia on his person that he forgot about since he just carries it around 24/7 without thinking about it. Long story short, they were discovered in a metal detector at some point and Japanese security whisked him away to an interrogation room. He tried to explain locksport and youtube but the Japanese police were incredulous. He spent a full day in Japanese detention (leaving his wife and kids stranded in Tokyo without him) and at one point it was looking like he might be facing more serious charges, but then luckily someone from an American military base was able to bail him out somehow.
mvdtnz 6 days ago||
This doesn't seem like an "obscure" law to me. In fact if this is a hobby of yours I would expect you to understand that it's not legal in a number of places.
airforce1 6 days ago||
It was an honest mistake, especially for someone who rarely travels.

It could happen to anyone in a country where possessing lock picks is not a criminal act. For example, your sibling might get you some picks in credit card form factor one year for Christmas. You put them in your wallet and forget about them. You travel a bit within the USA and nobody cares. Then years later you travel to Japan and are whisked away to jail because of a thing you forgot about in your wallet. The Japanese don't understand why an innocent civilian would ever have such a thing; therefore you must be a nefarious criminal.

discoutdynamite 6 days ago||
The other picture showed Mads with a wooden pipe which he had made years prior

This is really why. Any evidence or suspicion of drug use or paraphenalia is a major offense. Even it they attempted to justify or explain it, its a major rejection criteria. Ive heard of several denials for suspicions of marijuana use, "DUDE WEED" memes and the like. They are really going hard on anything that looks like illicit substance use.

guax 6 days ago|
Funnily enough weed is more legal in the US than Norway.
account42 5 days ago||
Not federally it isn't.
nelsonfigueroa 6 days ago||
Jeez...is the current administration that sensitive to criticism? I wonder if this comment will come back to haunt me some day.
theyinwhy 6 days ago||
It's anticipatory obedience, "a situation where one attempts to predict expectations others (particularly superiors) have, without explicit communication, and to fulfill (or exceed) those expectations.", see https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/anticipatory_obedience
Arubis 6 days ago|||
Perhaps the most consistent common thread of despotic and tyrannical types is a complete absence of a sense of humor.
DocTomoe 6 days ago|||
Most likely, this wasn’t official policy — just a low-paid border agent on a personal power trip. Give a man a uniform, and watch him turn tyrant. The Stanford Prison Experiment says hello.

The real problem is that the US system allows individuals with minimal training and virtually no oversight to wield unchecked power over travelers' lives.

AdamN 6 days ago||
This is really just the essence of bureaucracy - which is the problem with these rules that sounds fine if you don't think about the implementation of them.

Trump himself probably wouldn't care (which is why he thinks these rules are fine - he knows what should be a jailable offense) but of course the bureaucracy needs to make rules that any of the thousands of border guards can follow. The outcome is a bullwhip effect and you get this (or worse).

SV_BubbleTime 6 days ago||
What was he like when you spent time with him?
Havoc 6 days ago||
Lots of other countries to explore. I'll revisit this in 4 years by then we'll also know if US democracy is still a thing
mvdtnz 6 days ago|
I won't be reconsidering in four years. The American people have shown who they are. Like you say, plenty of other countries to visit.
keerthiko 6 days ago|
from the article:

> "They threatened me with a minimum fine of $5,000 or five years in prison if I refused to provide the password to my phone."

this isn't real/legal/enforceable (as the law currently stands) is it? how does one protect ourselves against this turn of events upon entry when the immigration officer's claim fails the smell test?

ethan_smith 6 days ago||
CBP has broad search authority at borders without warrants, and while they can't criminally charge you for refusing to unlock your device, they can deny entry, seize the device, and ban you from future entry - effectively making the "5 years in prison" threat misleading but the practical consequences still severe.
brewdad 6 days ago||
In layman’s terms we don’t call that misleading. It is false. Perhaps an outright lie.
AdamN 6 days ago|||
?? This has been called out for more than a decade I think. Within 100 miles of the border CBP has broad discretion and rights are limited in these types of circumstances.
anigbrowl 6 days ago||
The question is about the threat of a $5000 fine/5 years of prison, not whether CBP can conduct inspections.
arlort 6 days ago|||
By not travelling to the US if you're not willing to do it

Don't see how it wouldn't be legal as long as the target of the request isn't a citizen

tristor 6 days ago||
IANAL, but I would expect that it's extremely unlikely to be fined or imprisoned when you can simply be deported prior to entry. Technically until you pass through border control, you aren't "in" the country you are traveling to, so they can simply refuse entry and deport you.
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