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Posted by esher 6 days ago

The Offline Club(www.theoffline-club.com)
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ethagnawl 6 days ago|
So, Meetup without the baggage (i.e. WeWork)? I'll take it. I made quite a few friends on Meetup back in the day attending and running group events in NYC.
JR1427 6 days ago||
I used to think I didn't like clubs and societies. Then I joined a local sailing club, and I love it. Lots of nice people, all with a shared interest, but many other non-shared interests that make it even more interesting!

I would definitely recommend looking for clubs like this.

drakonka 5 days ago||
This looks like Meetup or Facebook events. I'm not entirely sure what the need for another platform is and won't use it myself to organize my events as others have larger user bases, but the website looks quirky and fun.
ai-christianson 5 days ago|
Classic network effects vs. product scenario.
esher 6 days ago||
Original poster here. I have no affiliation to it. Just found it, guessed it will spark some interest here, which it did. I thought about going to one event in Berlin, but it's in a hipster area.
tonymet 6 days ago||

  There was a dream that was having a social life. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish, it was so fragile.

  -- Marcus Aurelius
Relationships and things that matter are spontaneous. When you try to optimize them into calendars, checklists & databases -- they become lame and fall apart.

It's half the reason people aren't social. They try so hard to "schedule a meetup" and the meetup becomes work so people stop hanging out.

You're just supposed to show up at someone's house and do shit.

You don't make friends by agenda. You have cool experiences , build trust and develop a bond.

OkayPhysicist 6 days ago||
You're thinking about the wrong stage of friendmaking.

The pitch here is for getting people over the first hurdle, which is being at the same place at the same time as other people, and to some extent, the second hurdle, which is striking up a conversation (as anyone who would attend something like this is, by their presence, signalling an interest in at least casual interaction with the other participants). This adds people to your "acquaintances" list.

The next step is forming setting specific friendships. Your gym buddies, your work friends, etc. Then you need to actually invite some of those friends to other settings, until your friendship isn't entirely predicated on the particular setting. Then you need to spend enough time with that person to maintain the friendship.

For most people, the big hurdles are the "being present", "striking up a conversation", and "converting setting specific friendships into general friendships" steps. Everything else is pretty straightforward.

Casually dropping by someone's place unscheduled is typically reserved for pretty close friends. That's not what this service is targeting.

tonymet 6 days ago||
being out in public , at libraries coffee shops, parks & being accessible would be the analog of that phase.
komali2 6 days ago||
Depending on the culture, it's significantly easier to actually make friends at "sanctioned" events, such as whatever this offline club is, or Meetups. Sometimes just a nametag is all it takes to completely shift interpersonal dynamics for a culture.

I notice that the "just talk to strangers in public" crowd really like to apply this to unwilling participants, as if everyone else is "just too scared" or something. I cringe so hard when I see e.g. Americans try to bully through "cultural baggage" in Japan to talk to strangers. "See, not so hard, no need to be so uptight!" Not realizing they're causing incredible discomfort to whoever they're trying to make friends with, misinterpreting desperate politeness for some kind of finally-unlocked freedom of expression. It's not "oh thank god this friendly foreigner started talking to me, my culture is so stuffy and oppressive and boring, now I can make a great friend!" it's "why is this person talking to me, are they crazy, I don't know them, what do they want, how can I get out of this situation??" Whereas in a meetup, everyone there is in the mindset that they want to meet and talk to strangers, and maybe make a couple new friends.

Taikonerd 5 days ago||
> Sometimes just a nametag is all it takes to completely shift interpersonal dynamics for a culture.

Well put. If you're at a meetup that's explicitly supposed to be a social event, then it's not weird to talk to people you don't know. Whereas it might be, if you're waiting in line at your local coffee shop. (Depends on your local culture.)

al_borland 6 days ago|||
People are busy and can’t accommodate random pop-ins all the time. That is also a nightmare for certain personality types, and is often considered quite rude.

My dad is in his early 70s and still regularly gets together with people from all eras of his life, going all the way back to high school. Old neighbors, former co-workers and employees, and various others he met along the way. Unlike a lot of retirees, he has a rich social life and a packed calendar with dozens of close friends. This was all due to him regularly reaching out and scheduling a meal or activity, or just time to chat, over the course of his life. Friendships don’t just spontaneously last decades, they take effort, especially as people go through different stages of life.

tonymet 6 days ago||
that's part of the issue I'm raising. people pretending to be as busy as a surgeon. Even parents / grandparents are scheduling family visits with a calendar despite watching TV and golfing most of the time.

It's the corporatization of life that I'm protesting and we all participate. A total buzzkill

al_borland 6 days ago||
It’s not corporatizing, it’s simply respecting people’s time. Maybe I am just watching TV, but I’m doing that after a long day at work and don’t want an impromptu guest I need to entertain. Nor do I keep my house in a state to have company at the drop of a hat.

Drop ins were cool in college, but as an adult, it’s not so fun.

tonymet 5 days ago||
I have family with kids and their door is always open. They are very much adults with jobs, kids and other commitments.
qualeed 5 days ago||
Good for them, but, as should be obvious from this thread, different people have different tolerances for "door always open" policies.

And, as also mentioned elsewhere in this thread, the tolerance will be significantly different for people I met a couple months ago and people who've been close family members for my whole life.

tonymet 5 days ago||
you've got to embrace some discomfort to grow
qualeed 5 days ago||
You have no idea who I am.

Just because someone isn't like you about open door policies doesn't mean they need to "grow". We're just different.

What a presumptuous thing to say.

tonymet 5 days ago||
in english "you" means anonymous third person. Stop seeking anger
qualeed 5 days ago||
It's not anger.

I just found your comment presumptuous, even if you meant it in the third person. Calling it out as such doesn't mean I'm "seeking anger".

People are different. No one, myself or anonymous third-persons, needs to "grow" because they have different tolerances than you.

tonymet 5 days ago||
It's a general statement that the only way to grow is to seek discomfort. Your position as I understand it is that different people have different comfort levels with spontaneity . My position is that I understand that and see it as a blocker to socialization.

The core issue with scheduling life within your comfort zone is that it is inherently reductive, because you cannot plan out your relationships.

The most important things in your life will happen out of schedule.

So I get that you are more comfortable living according to a schedule. All growth comes from embracing discomfort.

Yes I'm presuming that I'm right about this fact of life.

al_borland 5 days ago|||
There are many ways a person can grow. While society rewards the extrovert, everyone growing in the direction of being more extroverted isn’t great advice.

You mention seeking discomfort. A pop-in isn’t seeking, it’s finding me at my doorstep. I seek discomfort by taking solo trips to various countries around the world. It’s a planned trip, sure, but it pushes me way outside my comfort zone and forces me into spontaneous and unexpected situations each day I’m away. Other than the flight and hotel, I don’t plan much and just see what happens. The same goes for various other things I seek out. In my home, I want to be able to relax without having to think about what may or may not randomly show up.

While humans need variety in their life, they also need some sense of stability. Where people choose to get those things is going to look different for everyone. This is the fact of life.

I know families who have a door is always open policy, then rent the same cabin for vacation every year for decades. I do the opposite, and they wouldn’t dream of attempting what I do. We are both meeting our needs, just in different ways. One could say their door always open policy is their attempt to remain in their comfort zone. They can feel social and have little doses of surprise, all from the comfort and safety of their home. If that is enough variety for them, that’s great.

My sister has a door always open policy with me, but I still always text first. I don’t want to show up and find an empty house, or that they’re all in a mad rush to finish a big school project before Monday, where I’d be a distraction. It doesn’t have to be a “schedule”, but simply a heads up and an acknowledgment that I won’t be causing an inconvenience.

tonymet 4 days ago||
you've made a good argument for why it should be permissible, but not why it's edifying.
SchemaLoad 6 days ago|||
There's a few furry events in my city which are basically "This pub, this day of the week every week". You don't bother working out who is going, how it fits in to everyones schedule. You just go if you feel like doing something that night and there will be people there.

I've got a few friends who I don't even have the contact details for, If I want to talk to them I just go out to whatever the current event or party is and they will probably be there.

vaylian 6 days ago|||
How are these events advertised so that people get to know about them?
kayodelycaon 5 days ago||
In my area, there are Telegram groups people post to. Some of these can be googled. Others you need to find someone who knows about them.

Some furry spaces, like the Furry Writer’s Guild, have Telegram or Discord links on their websites. (The FWG doesn’t require membership to access their chat rooms, but does vet accounts before allowing them in.)

There are also conventions, which is how I go involved.

You could do your own research and dig around to find local furries’ social media accounts. They may have posted something.

You might be able to send a polite email to the closest convention and say you’re new to the fandom (or area) and want to know if there are any local groups you can join.

Furry or city-specific subreddits are also an option for finding people.

xeonmc 6 days ago|||
I don’t suppose these events enforce any dress code?
kayodelycaon 5 days ago|||
No more than any other meetup in public.

Any rules are more like do not wear bondage gear next to a playground at a local park.

(This isn’t as clear as you might think. No one really bats an eye at superhero costumes. A leather catsuit with a tail, chains, and pup hood does not have the same reaction.)

SchemaLoad 6 days ago|||
They usually aren't that structured and for some of them they don't really even have someone who runs the event, it's just self perpetuating that people know other people will be at this venue this day. So any kind of rules would just be the rules of the pub or venue itself.
allenu 6 days ago|||
I see the value of these services, but there's definitely an impersonal and formal nature to them, which takes away some of the humanity of just meeting people IRL and deciding to spend time. However, it feels like there are fewer third spaces people can spend time at without having to spend money where they can just randomly meet new people and see them regularly. Making new friends requires regularly being in the same space with them over time so you can build familiarity. Just meeting someone one time isn't enough for a lot of us to just decide "let's be friends and spend time together". If this service encourages people to hang out regularly, I think it's a step in the right direction.
kzisme 6 days ago|||
While I generally agree with this sentiment - it's pretty hard to maintain friendships and relationships where both parties don't talk because they're both waiting to be spontaneous.

I don't "book/plan" things with friends, but it makes a massive difference to consistently reach out and nurture friendships.

The way you're describing meeting people seems fun, but half the time folks are busy with life or other stuff to be spontaneous.

I work from home, live far away from family, and sometimes the only social interaction I get each day is getting marketing text messages from HelloFresh. I then can take the time to go speak to my local barista for ~30 seconds and buy a drink.

9283409232 6 days ago||
Where I grew up, just showing up at someone's house unannounced was a faux pas. Scheduling in advance was the only way to do shit.
kzisme 6 days ago|||
I miss the days of going over to neighbors houses, ringing the doorbell and seeing if people wanted to do stuff.

That, or college just walking around dorms to find stuff going on.

tonymet 6 days ago|||
Was it booked or was it “hey you home” and you head over?
9283409232 6 days ago||
A mixture of the two. "Cool if I come by later" or "wanna go to PLACE Friday".
amelius 5 days ago||
With so many people in a room ... it almost feels like being online :)
_rpxpx 6 days ago||
https://www.theludditeclub.org/
specproc 6 days ago||
That looks cool. Bit US-based (and maybe a bit young) for me, but much respect, the world could do with more of this. The kids are alright.
Sat_P 5 days ago||
This seems like an app that would have been created by the team at "The Idler" magazine (it's a monthly UK publication).
syhol 6 days ago|
I got excited when I saw the title, thinking it was local-first software advocacy. But I guess if local-first software advocacy gets me excited, then maybe I should turn off the screen and touch some grass.
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