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Posted by ColinWright 5 days ago

Snow - Classic Macintosh emulator(snowemu.com)
GitHub repo: https://github.com/twvd/snow, Announcement from creator: https://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12509, Originally-submitted source with further details: https://oldbytes.space/@smallsco/114747196289375530
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DrNosferatu 5 days ago|
Any Flatpak, Snap or Scoop editions?
trollbridge 5 days ago||
Was this inspired by MartyPC?
GloriousCow 5 days ago|
Funny you mention that, I'm actually friends with twvd and we share a discord server and trade UI ideas as we both use the same GUI toolkit. Snow actually uses the disk image library I built for MartyPC.

Inspired is a strong word. I didn't invent the concept of an accurate emulator, although I'm certainly a fan of his approach.

cemyazar3131 4 days ago||
Pls play my game
darqis 4 days ago||
Obligatory You know nothing Jon Snow quote
ColinWright 5 days ago||
The original submission was to a post that explains why this is news, and not just a random project:

A brand new 68k Mac emulator quietly dropped last night!!

“Snow” can emulate the Mac 128k, 512k, Plus, SE, Classic, and II. It supports reading disks from bitstream and flux-floppy images, and offers full execution control and debugging features for the emulated CPU. Written using Rust, it doesn't do any ROM patching or system call interception, instead aiming for accurate hardware-level emulation.

* Download link (Mac, Windows, Linux): https://snowemu.com

* Documentation link: https://docs.snowemu.com

* Source link: https://github.com/twvd/snow

* Release announcement: https://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12509

-- https://oldbytes.space/@smallsco/114747196289375530

I understand why links get re-written, but I think the context is relevant and can help the random reader who is unfamiliar with the project.

the_other 5 days ago||
Off-topic...

I wish Apple would bring back the white menubar background and the coloured logo.

The white menubar makes the whole computer easier to use in a small but constant way. The coloured apple icon would suggest they no longer have their heads stuck up their assess and might bring back "fun" rather than "showing off" to their design process. And then maybe, maybe... with that "suggestion" symbolised in the UI, we can hope they might bring back the more rigorous user-centric design process they used to be famous for.

thm 5 days ago||
https://www.macrumors.com/2025/06/23/macos-tahoe-beta-2-menu...
SkyeCA 5 days ago|||
Are they really changing the UI up again? I am actually so done at this point. The endless UI churn drives me absolutely mad, but I suppose when there's nothing left to do, making it look different is easy.

I suppose a built in volume mixer is still too much to ask for though.

jamwil 4 days ago||
Do you harbour an honest expectation that computer UIs will look the same in 2035 as they do in 2025? That would prove to be a silly thing to hope for if you were to backtest it.

It’s not churn its change, and it’s inevitable. No sense getting worked up over it.

hadlock 4 days ago|||
Linux desktop hasn't changed appreciably since the advent of Windows 2000, perhaps even NT4. That's 1996 or 29 years ago. XP changed the color of the start button and rounded the edges, and Windows 8 had a purple theme but it's been a remarkably consistent design. I think the only reason Microsoft has made any changes to the start bar is so that the marketing department had something visually different to show consumers, since it's such a central part of the GUI. KDE and XFCE are so similar I often forget which one to install on a new computer.

The only improvement I've seen has been for mac they have the command+space launcher which is functionally like the win+type the app you want. Graphical file browsers haven't changed since the original Mac and/or Win 3.1. Mac has never had a good tree view IMO but they do have a version of it.

The only reason UIs would change at this point is to keep UI/UX folks employed and busy, and give the marketing department something new to talk about.

jamwil 4 days ago||
If your definition of “appreciably” allows for such variation then I would say this current refresh also hasn’t changed appreciably.
coldpie 4 days ago|||
Sure, why not? My desktop environment hasn't significantly changed since I first set it up in 2007. The screenshots here[1] span more than 20 years (XFCE 4.0 was released in 2003) and, aside from different user-selected theming choices, look substantially similar across that whole time.

[1] https://xfce.org/about/screenshots

jamwil 4 days ago||
I like XFCE but you can’t cherry pick a niche DE that is designed for minimalism and extrapolate that to computer UIs writ large, which was the subject of my comment. Gnome, KDE, Windows, macOS… all evolve regularly.
the_other 5 days ago|||
Nice, thanks. I'll use that when I upgrade.

But I'm not going to upgrade whilst the back/next buttons are floating 3m above the window as suggested in that screen shot.

celsius1414 5 days ago|||
Turning “Reduce Transparency” on in Accessibility > Display will solidify the menubar in both light and dark modes.

I go through phases with transparency off or on.

the_other 5 days ago||
Same.

Sometimes I enjoy the translucent menus. They make the machine look "glossy" and expensive. But they're definitely harder to read than opaque flat ones.

With "reduce transparency" on, it's better, but the menubar still isn't white. It's a textured light grey that's closer to the look of an unfocused app window than the solid, dependable, flat thing I wish it still was.

xenonite 5 days ago|||
What about setting a white background, which yields a white menubar?

A color logo might be added with an overlay app – or you reminisce a black&white screen.

trinix912 5 days ago|||
So are we supposed to make custom backgrounds with a 30px white bar on top instead of expecting this to be an option in the settings like in every other sanely customizable OS?
raihansaputra 5 days ago|||
seconding the overlay app, i forgot the name but there was an app that can configure the appearance of the menubar. maybe it's my menubar icon organizer? Not dozer or bartender, but can't recall right now
egypturnash 5 days ago||
Ice organizes menubar icons and can alter the bar's appearance.
ChrisRR 5 days ago|
I'm not sure why OP links to this site, but the actual project is here

https://snowemu.com/

https://github.com/twvd/snow

ColinWright 5 days ago|
Personally I find an announcement like the one linked more helpful and useful to create a context, rather than linking directly to the project.

Links to the actual project are in the submitted post, so you can get an overview before then being directed to the project itself.

As always YMMV, indeed, YMWV, but I like seeing the announcement giving the context rather than a bare pointer to the project.

ColinWright 5 days ago||
... and while I appreciate the rationale behind it, I'm always saddened when a carefully chosen link that suits the way I think, giving and overview and a context with links to the projects, is then over-written by the direct link to the project that doesn't give a sense of why it's interesting or relevant.

But as the Man in Black says in The Princess Bride: "Get used to disappointment".

tomhow 5 days ago||
We can have our cake and eat it.

The guidelines are clear that the original/canonical source is what we want on HN:

Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter.

But you're welcome to post a comment with links to other sources that give the extra information and context, and we can pin it to the top of the thread, or do what I've done here and put them in the top text.

ColinWright 5 days ago|||
We won't agree on this.

I understand the rationale, and as someone who moderates other communities I can totally understand why this is administered as a blanket policy. Having said that, it does sometimes result in what I think of as sub-optimal situations where information is unnecessarily lost or obscured.

In particular, adding a link to the original post, as you have done here, is likely to be of minimal value. People will click on the headline link, wonder what it's about or why it's "news", and close the window. On the other hand, clicking through first to the post means people will see the context, then those who are interested will click through to the project site(s). I've done this analysis in other contexts and found that the decision tree for engagement and user-information is in favour of linking to the post, not the project.

But as I say, I understand your position, and in the end, it's not my forum, not my community, and not my choice.

tomhow 4 days ago||
I think you're implying that we're more rigid and/or self-defeating about this than we are.

We always want the source that contains the greatest amount of information about the topic. As I wrote in the other reply in this subthread, the heuristic is whether a source contains "significant new information" vs an alternative.

That means, as explained in that reply, an article about the findings of an academic study is better than the academic paper, if it contains significant new information that isn't easily found from the paper itself (particularly if the article contains quotes from interviews with the researchers). A project creator’s blog post about a new project or release is better than a link to the project's GitHub page.

We generally prefer not to link to a third-party's social media post about a project, on the basis that it's light on significant new information and takes traffic/attention away from the primary source or another in-depth article about it. (It's different if it's a 3rd-party's detailed blog post about a project, which includes their own experiences using the project and comparing it with other projects in the same category. But then it's more of a review, than a report about the project itself.) Another problem with submitting a 3rd-party post about a project is that it then becomes a topic of debate in the comments, why one source was chosen over another, which happened here.

In a case like this, the information that was in that social media post could easily have been quoted in a comment in the thread, that we could have pinned.

Given that the author of the project posted an announcement in a discussion forum, there could be a case for making that the HN source, given that it contains the other relevant links and some additional commentary, though in this case it's a bit light on detail. But it makes all the difference that the source we link to is by the author of the project.

In the case of this submission, the story has been on the front page for 12 hours already, including some time at #1, and is still going strong, so I don't think anything has been lost.

You're always welcome to make a case for why a particular source is the one that contains the most "significant new information" and is thus the one that should be the HN source.

joshAg 5 days ago|||
so just to confirm, this HN submission [ 1] should have linked to this pdf of the paper [2] and put the article [3] that is the current link for the post as a comment?

  [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44381297
  [2]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2506.19244
  [3]: https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-new-pyramid-like-shape-always-lands-the-same-side-up-20250625/
tomhow 4 days ago||
The question we always ask is whether a source contains “significant new information”.

In the case you cited, the Quanta Magazine article is a report about the study’s findings that is readable and understandable to lay people, and includes backstory and quotes from interviews with the researchers and also images.

I.e., there’s plenty of information in the article that isn’t in the paper. So we’ll always go with that kind of article, over the paper itself, particularly in the case of Quanta Magazine which is a high-quality publication.

In other cases an article is “blog spam” - I.e., it just rewords a study without adding any new information, and in those cases we’ll link directly to the study, or to a better article if someone suggests it.

Anyone is always welcome to suggest a source that is the most informative about a topic and we’ll happily update the link to that.