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Posted by MrVandemar 7 days ago

I deleted my second brain(www.joanwestenberg.com)
587 points | 347 commentspage 10
novoreorx 6 days ago|
No, you deleted your text trash bin
BrtByte 7 days ago||
Kinda ironic how tools meant to externalize thinking can end up stifling it. Might be time to clean house
jbs789 7 days ago||
This whole Second Brain idea is new to me. Sounds like a lot of work relative to what you get in return.
al_borland 7 days ago|
It's effectively a really intense form of procrastination.
11235813213455 7 days ago||
The second brain is more generally refered as the guts tho, he should have said third brain
birriel 7 days ago||
It's baffling to me that anyone would do this in the age of LLMs. All of the author's concerns could've been solved or greatly mitigated by loading her PKM into a model as context. The article doesn't mention that she even considered this as an option. I hope the files can be recovered when she realizes this possibility.
Barrin92 7 days ago|
>All of the author's concerns could've been solved or greatly mitigated by loading her PKM into a model as context

No, because the correctly identified concern by the author is much deeper. Knowledge isn't some repository of data, or some solipsistic LLM simulacrum of it, it's practiced, social, contextual. A real brain, unlike the "second brain", intentionally forgets.

To have agency is to purposefully erase, cut through BS, and start from a clean slate. Any person who has done anything meaningful starts with an empty sheet of paper. There's a reason all these note taking gurus have exactly zero actual work to their name, it's just productivity LARPing. Every single time you see one of these "productivity" advocates you try to look up if they've build something that has helped even one person with all their productivity, nothing. They just keep yapping about their notes.

molszanski 6 days ago||
If you don’t do regular forest fires, one day you will need to nuke everything
ZYZ64738 7 days ago||
I used Obsidian 2 yrs. ago for almost 2 weeks and I quit. I did not know why - until this post. I felt missing s.th. or left myself behind by not using s PKMs. Now I feel calm after reading this post. It seems that my subconsciousness alredy knew, that (to me) a PKM would never reach a break even point...
igiveup 7 days ago||
I don't get this. I have a megabyte or two of plain-text notes, and going through them and maintaining them and extending them is fun (apologize to the person who doesn't like threes). There are notes for a novel, ideas for future personal projects (way too many to do in my remaining lifetime), attempts at capturing my understanding of great scientific and philosophical problems, weird things I invented in my dreams, various ideas which didn't fit anywhere else. Guess what, the novel will probably never get written, projects will never get done, I will not make a philosophical breakthrough. So what?

Some ideas on how am I supposed to start hating my notes:

* They grow to 100MB, then it starts to be a burden

* I switch from notepad.exe to a dedicated application which somehow exploits my hobby of writing notes

* I develop OCD or something else

None of this seems very relatable. At this point, I might be writing a new note with these ideas, updating it when I get more ideas or when the one, most plausible explanation jumps out at me. Then I would read it years later and have something to think about before bed and have a good feeling that I didn't lose something and I am not left with thougths about the last episode of a TV show. Or is that supposed to be a bad feeling?

latexr 7 days ago|
> I don't get this.

I’ll try to help.

> going through them and maintaining them and extending them is fun

It’s fun for you, not for everyone else. There, it’s as simple as that. All you need to understand is different people enjoy different things.

> Or is that supposed to be a bad feeling?

It’s not “supposed” to be anything. It will be good for some, bad for others, neutral for others still. There’s no objective right answer. If you enjoy something and it doesn’t harm anyone, do it. If you don’t enjoy it and it isn’t necessary, don’t do it. Other people will have different preferences.

igiveup 7 days ago||
Oh, the OP pretty much told me that they didn't like taking notes. I am trying to understand why, what is the mechanism? Is it like burning out? Can it happen to me and my notes when I start doing something wrong? Why is "just do less of it" not a solution? Why is "just expect less from it" not a solution? Am I an exception? If so, why?

"All you need to understand" is for insects.

nsonha 6 days ago||
Pretty weird timing and not even a passing thought about LLM
aucisson_masque 7 days ago|
i will just give a fresh counterargument I encountered yesterday. when trying to reset my Passat service warning, you got to press a combination of button, hold a few seconds, etc.

I spent about an hour yesterday looking for the right combination, for the right model of Passat produced in the right year. A freaking hour of wasted time.

Been doing that every 2 year or something for the past decade.

You have no idea how many times I angered if only I had taken 30 seconds the last time to put the right YouTube link in an obsidian note.

Even if the second brain is messy, it's still your mess. Internet is even a bigger mess than that.

And to that, I'd add that a second brain should behave like a real brain in the way that our brain get rid of (what it thinks) is useless.

Your note should reflect on that and be cleaned up once a while for things that are not relevant anymore and should be disregarded, it doesn't negate the advantage of the second brain tho which is that it's able to retain much more information and even file. Good luck embedding a pdf or a tax report in your brain.

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