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Posted by MrVandemar 3 days ago

I deleted my second brain(www.joanwestenberg.com)
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Too 2 days ago|
Did the same many years ago and felt equally liberated.

The thing i found about most of my notes was that they quickly got irrelevant, "PHP and MySQL best practices, on Windows..."? First, the notes that were referred to often, they quickly got upgraded to a script or stuck to my first brain so that note wasn't needed any more. Second, finding it through Google was easier than searching through my personal notes, and would often yield some new insight I wasn't aware of. Learning how to read official documentation rather than blog posts was a large part of this journey as well, now I trust that no voodoo tricks are needed to get things flying if you just follow the standard process. Being savvy enough to debug and lookup anything helps. Third, the tools, or their best practices, got superseded by others.

Articles that might be interesting to read (or re-read) one rainy day. Forget about it. Stop the wishful thinking. Every week there are new ones, more up-to-date and equally insightful. Your future self will also have other interests. This was by far the most liberating.

Nowadays, the few things I keep are topics that don't change, that I know will be difficult to remember between the rare occasion I need it (annual domain renewal, spare part number for oil filter). One final thing i still like to hoard is material from experts about recurring religious topics. So that next time someone at work starts arguing about monolith vs microservices again, I can just link to authoritative source instead of having to reiterate the same old arguments and prove my expertise in the area again.

alabhyajindal 3 days ago||
This matches my experience as well. I have been journalling on and off for 4-5 years. It's a way for me to process my thoughts. But I never look back it, I don't feel the need to. The writing is the important bit, not the resulting output.
winter_blue 3 days ago||
> The more I wrote into my vault, the less I felt. A quote would spark an insight, I’d clip it, tag it, link it - and move on. But the insight was never lived. It was stored. Like food vacuum-sealed and never eaten, while any nutritional value slips away.

The better answer here would have been to make some time to go back and reflect and write more.

Not necessarily to throw it all away.

The goal should have been to reflect deeply, and write more on the most interesting topics therein.

> Worse, the architecture began to shape my attention. I started reading to extract. Listening to summarize. Thinking in formats I could file. Every experience became fodder. I stopped wondering and started processing.

Summarization could now be done by LLMs.

latexr 3 days ago||
I don’t understand why so many people on this thread feel the need to prescribe to the author what would’ve been better for them.

You don’t know the author, don’t know their mind, and clearly do not understand their thought process.

This post is a personal reflection. The author’s actions affect exactly one person: themselves. The “better answer” is unambiguously the one which works out best for the author. Period. They are better equipped than any of us to know what that is.

notsydonia 3 days ago||
I enjoyed reading this but it also made me think I must be a bit weird. Depending on what I'm working on and where I'm at, I keep notes in Apple notes or obsidian, extended descriptions on bookmarks, physical sticky notes, an actual journal and pages files on desktop - barely any of it is tagged and I'd call it 'notes' rather than a 2nd brain but i go through it all every eight-12 weeks, cull what now seems irrelevant and try to act on the rest of it. I should probably learn how to actually use obsidian properly but I still don't get the 'second brain' terminology.
nkrisc 3 days ago||
Notes should be for things you can’t remember. How long did I bake that loaf of bread that turned out great? I’m not carrying that detail around in my mind with me unless I’m a baker and baking thirty loaves a day. Only then does become a permanent resident in my brain through pure repetition.

Thinking and processing and making connections is a dynamic and amorphous experience that can’t be put into static notes. It’s always changing, based on your mood, recent experiences, and new knowledge acquired.

Write down things you can’t remember, but keep the thinking in your head.

wiseowise 3 days ago||
Is that a hipster thing?

Like the same person would write completely opposite in the same style ten years ago, but now that PKM are all the rage they need to reassert themselves as “not-like-the-other” by burning everything to the ground?

bravesoul2 3 days ago||
I'd think so but then the mention of sobriety makes me think there are other reasons behind the note taking.
sandspar 3 days ago||
And instead of just logging off, the dramatic deletion. He frames this as the end of a phase but I suspect he's still in the middle of something. I wish him luck and strength.
MrVandemar 3 days ago||
Wrong pronoun. Joan Westenberg so "she".
grugagag 3 days ago||
It’s both

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_(given_name)

navane 3 days ago|||
I think it's a phase he had to go through. The point is not to not have notes, but maybe it's time to reassess having them.
robertlutece 3 days ago|||
people change, people grow

I myself threw out about 3000 notes last year

wiseowise 3 days ago||
Throwing notes away is not growing. Growing is understanding that inanimate things don't have control over your life.

This whole "philosophical" article that basically says "I've removed my notes because they were giving me anxiety" is a confirmation that this is just yet another phase in author's life.

latexr 3 days ago||
> Throwing notes away is not growing.

You don’t get to define that. The author does, it’s their life.

The action taken here was not just the deletion, it was the reflecting, the identification of a problem, the thinking of a solution, the courage to follow through with something irreversible, the willingness to try something.

latexr 3 days ago||
That is a judgemental and bad faith argument.

Do you know that this person was writing the opposite ten years ago? And even if they did, people can’t try something and then change their mind? Is that worthy of ridicule now?

Frankly, making fun of someone for being “hipster” says more about the person doing the comment than the target of it. It’s a basic, meaningless insult.

gabrieledarrigo 3 days ago||
Well done.

I also think that mental clarity comes from a lean, blank sheet of paper, instead of a useless pile of accumulated knowledge. I'm still familiar with the act of deleting, which is liberatory: destroying drawings, writings, trashing things from the past, pictures, and deleting graffiti.

I don't want to be productive, I don't care about being able to access a thought from 7 years ago to do...what? I don't want to summarize, I don't want a stupid LLM to dictate my knowledge. I'm a human being, I change, I forget, I can fail, I'll die, and that's it.

timeonecom 3 days ago||
I would have zipped it and put it into long term storage. Now that I can run llms locally and train them with my notes, I’d never have to organize or revisit old notes and could still get value out of them.
bee_rider 3 days ago||
This seems like a particular curse of having an indexable, easily searchable journal.

I use a paper notebook, which comes with the built in assumption that most of your notes are going to be permanently put on the shelf and forgotten. A couple pages can be marked somehow or another if anything really useful somehow ends up on them.

Writing things out is an important part of the process… I’d be a bit worried about obtaining a default assumption where those notes become anything other than ephemera.

iamsanteri 3 days ago|
Very nice article as I’ve felt the same.

Throughout my 20’s I’ve accumulated a huge amount of mental models, diary entries, ambitions, goals, knowledge, thoughts, interests and everything in-between.

It helped me a lot and truly let me excel in some things – surprisingly enough.

Since I turned 30 last year I’ve almost sort of been afraid to look into that repository whatsoever. It’s a mix of amusement and anxiety. What felt like unlimited potential and a nearing of the “apex”, my motivation is still there somewhere in my head, but I’ve suppressed it and opened my eyes to almost half of my life being lived.

Sometimes I’m even afraid to stop and think deeply like I tended to do before. I distract myself.

Was that a some sort of a religion carrying me week by week month to month?

I take it step-by-step, day by day now and try to worry less while bringing back the focus of what I’d want to achieve. I calm myself down and work on things more gradually, cutting myself some slack.

Nonetheless, I wouldn’t just delete it all.

Instead I’m just using it less and less, only adding some truly profound things and thoughts when I come across them. My reading list keeps filling up… I fulfill some of my ambitions, but also leave many of them undone by the time I thought I should’ve been done with them trying not to not feel bad about it.

This techno-masochistic models-oriented mega-productive way of living is already perhaps disillusioning a lot of people out there, and we are entering the next stage.

Feels like end of an era, at least for me personally.

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