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Posted by Anon84 6 days ago

Is being bilingual good for your brain?(www.economist.com)
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Pearledlang 5 days ago|
Here in Finland, we have a good trial population: Finnish-Swedes.

They are genetically very similar to Finns, but despite being bi-lingual, and wealthier than native population, they are very slightly duller. (1-3 iq points).

FlyingSnake 6 days ago||
Sometimes I really pity the monolinguals who can’t witness the beauty of the varied linguistic cultures of the world.

It’s not a brag but here’s a sample of how my polylingustic life looks like: In the past week I had discussions about Clausewitz’s “Vom Krige” and “Rét Samadhi” by Gitanjali Shree, discussed Marathi poetry with my daughter, listened to mellifluous Tamil songs like “Nenjukkul Peidhidum”, appreciated my wife’s Uttara Kannada accent, all the while consuming English media in copious amounts.

Languages and accents are a unique part of being human and I firmly believe that we’re meant to be multilingual.

xdfgh1112 6 days ago|
You're talking about the huge amount of content you can consume but speak nothing of creation. No matter what you enjoy, there is an unfathomable spectrum of the human experience you have not been a part of. Your particular preference is not superior to anyone else's.
FlyingSnake 6 days ago||
You brought in „superiority” into this not me.

BTW how are monolinguals immune to the charge you’ve laid against me? At least we multilinguals can enjoy the “unfathomable expanse” in more dimensions than them.

xdfgh1112 5 days ago||
You said it was part of being human, that we are meant to be multilingual (so monolinguals aren't human enough?), you clarified "it's not a brag" (i.e. it sounds like a brag), you said you pity them.

> BTW how are monolinguals immune to the charge you’ve laid against me?

Monolinguals have to learn languages from scratch. This is a massive investment of time. You can do other things with that time. Some people spend their whole life creating art, music and writing. Are they superior to to people who only consume? Some people volunteer or travel the world, are they superior to those who cannot? Nobody can do everything, we all have to choose.

FlyingSnake 5 days ago||
But humans were always multilingual the moment we left Africa. How else would the Sumerians, Romans, Persians, Indians, Chinese trade with each other? The "brag" is just a reality of most people of the world who aren't monolingual (e.g. Rammstein/Taylor Swift/K-Pop). Pity doesn't mean looking down upon them, it's just a remark about unrealized potential.

You seem to be projecting too much into this, the reality is not that complicated. It doesn't take much to pick up basics (CEFR A2 levels) of another language,if they chose to do so.

robomartin 6 days ago||
> A study from 2019 showed that a moderate amount of language learning in adults does not boost things like executive function.

I guess these days a few paragraphs qualifies for an "in depth" article. No links to any of the sources referenced, except to one of their own pages. Not very useful.

That said, sure, as someone who speaks several languages and can mostly understand a few more, I think there are interesting insights gained by having this ability. For me, a lot of it has to do with, perhaps, less-than-verbal communication. Each culture has a certain way to communicate in person during conversations. Spanish spoken in Spain, Mexico, Peru, Ecuador and Argentina, while different, also drag along non-verbal cues that are distinct in each culture. Same with English in various parts of the UK, US and other anglo-speaking countries. As much as some Canadians think themselves to be French, there are differences there as well with France. Non-verbal cues in the Arab world (and Middle East in general) are different as well. How you sit, move, pace, use your hands and gesticulate during in-person conversations are linked to both language and culture. Etc.

Who remembers the bar scene in Inglorious Basterds? Yup, very true. Instant communication.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86Ckh80mLlQ

throaway955 5 days ago|
French-Canadians think they're French-Canadian, not "French."
robomartin 5 days ago||
Oh, I am sure. And yet, I have also seen evidence to the contrary from some. People can be weird.

The argument goes something like: We are direct descendants of French immigrants ("pure blood" argument). It's along similar lines as descendants of Italian immigrants in New York calling themselves "Italian"...not realizing how far they are from that being remotely real.

throaway955 3 days ago||
Is there not a big difference between Canadiens living in a Francophone province (one that they founded hundreds of years ago), speaking French as a first language and practicing French culture, and Italian-Americans speaking English and living in English speaking states that they have no historical association with?
TMWNN 6 days ago||
I have heard that hyperpolyglots, such as translators at EU headquarters who work with many languages, are more susceptible to mental illness.
mythrwy 6 days ago||
Could be from listening to politician talk all day every day though.

Just look at how much mental illness politics seems to produce in people who interact with it less frequently.

tgv 6 days ago|||
I'm not sure those people are hyperpolyglot (whatever that exactly means). They usually have extreme skills in two languages, one being their native language.

However, a task like simultaneous translation is tough. It requires a different way of focusing, and has other demands on working memory. There is some evidence that it leads to "functional" changes in the brain. That could be a factor. OTOH, since the effect is bound to a small group living in a few places, it could just as well be a life-style effect.

johnisgood 6 days ago||
Sometimes there is a thin line between a genius and someone with a mental illness. That is not to say those translators are geniuses, I am speaking more broadly.
qoez 6 days ago||
My theory is that being bilingual isn't good so much because you know two languages, but because you get to know two cultures. I'd probably go crazy if american was the only culture I was exposed to on a deep level and didn't have a second language to help filter out the bad ideas from the good.
esperent 6 days ago||
There are so many cultures that speak English though. I'm only fluent in English, but as an Irish person who spent parts of my childhood in England and Scotland, I feel like I have a deep (fluent) understanding of Irish and English culture, and a second language equivalent of Scottish and American cultures, maybe at a third language equivalent level I could add Australian.

All of these cultures are easily as different from each other as non English speaking European cultures like German, French, Italian.

I've also spent the last few years living and running a business in Vietnam, and while I've failed hard at learning the language, I do work with Vietnamese people everyday and I am growing to have a reasonable understanding of Vietnamese culture, even while I would struggle to have any kind of deep conversation in the language.

bethekidyouwant 5 days ago||
America has endless subcultures
lvl155 6 days ago||
I have a theory that being bilingual in early ages and having constant exposure to both languages, the latter being key, create two cognitive centers in your brain. It also matters when you picked up your languages. Exposure later in life may mean that you basically and merely “installed” a translation layer.
Caelus9 6 days ago||
If you want to slow cognitive decline or improve mental flexibility, then learning a second language, even if it's started later in life, does make sense, but expecting it to improve intelligence or memory overall is probably a beautiful but unrealistic fantasy.
331c8c71 6 days ago|
> then learning a _second_ language

Strange way to phrase it. Lots of people know more than one language already.

sandbach 6 days ago||
'Second language' is a technical term meaning a foreign language learnt after early childhood. For example, if someone grows up speaking English and German natively and then learns French at school, French is a second language to them, even though you could say it's language #3.
agumonkey 6 days ago||
Personally, being half lifed and busted mentally, I found surprising how refreshing it was to learn bits of latin. It rewires concepts all across the brain in a smooth way and connect news ideas that you don't in you native language.
Groxx 6 days ago||
>We value your privacy

>... Together with our 173 trusted partners...

In a full screen, multi-stage permissions pop-up.

Yeah how about no. No need to lie, tell me how you really feel, maybe "we will sell anything we can to anyone we can because we need the money".

(It is a very detailed pop-up tho, in a good way - breaks down each toggle with individual companies, and there's a search across all of them)

kgwgk 6 days ago||
They don’t lie! When they say “We value your privacy” they mean that your privacy is valuable to them. Of course, they need to convert that value into money.
signal-intel 6 days ago||
If your user agent is providing strangers with information you don’t want it to, find a better user agent.
Groxx 6 days ago|||
Already doing that, they don't really have a choice.

I still have to deal with the awful UX they've chosen to inflict on everyone by "valuing our privacy by selling our info to over 100 companies", and they can still sell data they collect directly.

signal-intel 6 days ago|||
Indeed. Blame the regulators that required this, and/or the engineers that have developed a system that gives away your data.
jraph 6 days ago|||
uBlock Origin has lists that block most of these modals
whoisyc 6 days ago|||
Your comment would be much more persuasive if you provide a concrete actionable suggestion instead of vague handwringing about “finding a better user agent” (and don’t get me started on how “user agent” is basically just an ingroup signal these days)
ashwinsundar 6 days ago|||
“User agent” is a technical term. what ingroup does it signal that you’re part of, by using the term correctly?
signal-intel 6 days ago||
The most despicable group of the modern era: folks who expect their own software to act on their own behalf.
whoisyc 6 days ago||
Thank you for the snark. I am sure this will work wonders to persuade more people to take their privacy seriously.
signal-intel 6 days ago|||
I’m quite sure nobody here knows what you’re point you’re trying to make.
noisem4ker 6 days ago||||
Let me do it on their behalf:

Firefox + uBlock Origin + EasyList Cookie List

...until Firefox learns to dismiss cookie banners on its own (they're working on it).

fsckboy 6 days ago|||
english usage aside: you could accuse him of handwaving, but he's not complaining, so his comment is not "handwringing". you are complaining (about his comment) so your comment is closer to handwringing.

"find a better user agent" is not handwringing; "i can't find a better user agent" is handwringing.

qprofyeh 6 days ago|
The way looking up words in your vocabulary works kind of like a vector db search. Then sometimes I think of something and the query result returns only the thing in language 3.
luxpir 5 days ago|
Yes this. I worked in restaurants a lot and embarrassed myself back home when I could only remember the term pichet for jug, making me not look like a very talented linguist at all. Now I've been away from the learned language countries it's happening a bit in reverse.
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