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Posted by gscott 6 days ago

An Indoor Beehive in My Bedroom Wall(www.keepingbackyardbees.com)
182 points | 97 commentspage 2
chasil 5 days ago|
Philips Corporation had a concept for this a decade ago.

https://newatlas.com/philips-beehive-concept/20412/

comrade1234 6 days ago||
Well, at least it's not hornets.
MarcusE1W 5 days ago||
We had hornets for a summer in a tree in front of the house once. They mostly kept for themself and absolutely no wasps in that year.
giantg2 6 days ago||
The comb doesn't look like it's on frames. The vast majority of states require comb to be on a frame or top bar to be capable of being inspected. There are plans online for in-wall mounted observation hives that would be much better than this.
wredcoll 5 days ago|
Wait, what? Inspected by whom? How often? Who requires this??
ajdude 5 days ago|||
In my state, routine inspections are required by a State Apiarist:

> All honeybee colonies must be registered and inspected for diseases, mites, and Africanized bees. Surveys are conducted for Africanized bees along Delaware’s coastal anchorages and in the Ports of Wilmington and Delaware City. By law, the State Apiarist and state bee inspectors may enter any public or private premises and have access to and from all apiaries or places where bees and bee equipment are kept to inspect them for pests and diseases. The State Apiarist may also declare a quarantine and order the destruction or treatment of hives for serious pest or disease situations.

https://agriculture.delaware.gov/plant-industries/honeybees/

55555 5 days ago|||
My brain is so rotted from the news that I can’t read this and not think it’s some sort of bee racism. Is this related to averting nationwide colony collapse? Seems like government overreach to my uninformed self.
durkie 5 days ago|||
There are bee diseases that are so serious (American foulbrood) that if your hive gets it then the dept of agriculture will come out and not leave until you burn the affected hives. It is super infectious and can cause massive commercial damage if allowed to spread.
femto 5 days ago|||
> and not leave until you burn the affected hives

I've got visions of bee inspectors standing there, insisting that this woman burn her house down.

drewnoakes 5 days ago|||
Where I live, AFB is a reportable infection, requiring burn and bury. Bees are considered livestock and subject to state regulations.
giantg2 5 days ago||||
The main reason for inspection laws is to control American Foul Brood. It's very destructive and since bees travel miles, it can spread similar to a public health outbreak. Africanized bees are only a concern in some area, but can be a threat to human life. The fact that Delaware wants to inspect for them does seem to be overreach as their range seems to be stalled much further west for unknown reasons. The inclusion of mite inspections seems like overreach as there are no therapies to completely eliminate them and they are already in every hive.
cryptonector 5 days ago|||
It's state control for the sake of control.

Beekeepers have varroa under control. But the state loves to be able to declare medical emergencies for animals (cull all the chickens!!), including beehives.

ikr678 4 days ago||
It's not control for the sake of control, it's control for the sake of agricultural economy.

Orange production in florida is on the way out, thanks to citrus greening from an introduced pest.

cryptonector 4 days ago||
It is control for control's sake. Honeybees are doing fine except for the ones that are driven around to provide fertilization services -- those bees are exposed to very high pesticide doses and -surprise!- have high loss rates. (The same is true for non-mobile beehives in areas that have high pesticide loads.)

Most problems with beehives are down to old brood comb not getting managed out. Feral bees don't have that problem because they swarm and build a new hive when their old one gets small, and they'll leave altogether (not just split) when the brood comb gets old.

It's all bad management, but God forbid you have a beekeeping hobby, no, you must get inspected and the state apiarist gets to come on your property w/o a warrant and they can burn your hives.

hinkley 5 days ago||||
Which is sort of dumb because it turns out Africanized bees have better resistance to varroa mites. They’ve cross bred with the locals as they’ve come north and the majority of them have mellowed out considerably.
wredcoll 5 days ago|||
I am learning so many new things today.
mtlynch 5 days ago||||
Since others are sharing negative stories about state inspectors, thought I'd share a positive one.

In MA, state bee inspections are optional, but you can request one for free once per year. As a new beekeeper, I found it helpful, as the inspectors were highly knowledgeable and friendly.

I ended up deciding to stop keeping bees after two years. My colony died over the winter, so when I sold my equipment, it was helpful to have an official inspection report saying that my equipment was checked and had no signs of disease except for varroa.

cryptonector 5 days ago|||
In Texas if you want to use bees for ag exemptions (property tax breaks), you need to show that you have active beehives, but no inspections take place. In other rather stupid states you have to have your hives inspected because oh-no-it's-varroa!
giantg2 5 days ago||
This is incorrect. TX has an aviary inspector whose purpose is to check for infectious diseases. As in most states, varroa is not considered a concern since it can't be fully eliminated.
cryptonector 5 days ago||
But they don't get to come into your property, unannounced, without a warrant, to do an inspection. In fact, they can only inspect your hives if you ask them to. See Texas Agriculture Code § 131.044.
millzlane 5 days ago||
This was a cool read. Thanks for sharing.reminds me of the first time I saw a beehive as a city boy. It was a indoor wall hive at the West River UM summer camp near DC.
maxglute 5 days ago||
Neat, reminds me of when I all I wanted was a interior antfarm wall after playing too much sim ants. Cursory research and bummed antfarms aren't nearly as cool in real life.
Loughla 5 days ago||
Sim ant also made me get an ant farm. That's hilarious.

I went out and dug up a big black and nest to find the queen and put her and some workers in my farm. Apparently that caused some kind of peasant revolt, because they killed her the first day. 0/10 experience for young me.

Luckily Sim Copter didn't have the same effect on me.

maxglute 5 days ago||
I did some playground digging as well! Bailed after getting nasty pinky bite and realized housing an army of them in an elmer glue ant farm crafted by 10 year old me was bad idea.
analog31 5 days ago|||
Obligatory Onion reference, one of my all time favorites:

https://theonion.com/ant-farm-teaches-children-about-toil-de...

pstuart 5 days ago||
Ouch. Thank you!
Lio 5 days ago||
> Cursory research and bummed antfarms aren't nearly as cool in real life.

For the uninitiated, what is a "bummed antfarm"?

Sabinus 5 days ago|||
I took it to mean it was borrowed/a hand me down/ otherwise scrounged.
evan_ 5 days ago|||
Bummed meaning disappointed. They’re disappointed that ant forms aren’t nearly as cool etc.
Lio 4 days ago||
Aha! Thank you.
pryelluw 5 days ago||
How do you keep them safe from other insects and pests? How does this affect pest control within the home?
mhb 5 days ago||
A leaf cutter ant colony would also be nice. Not easy to get a queen into the US for hobbyist use though.
y-curious 5 days ago||
I just looked this up out of curiosity. These ants cut pieces of leaves off, store them and use them to grow fungus. They then eat the fungus. This is very cool
whartung 5 days ago||
It gets better.

When the tree has had enough of getting eaten alive by ants, it starts producing a compound that will now damage the fungus instead of help it grow, in order to convince the ants to leave it alone.

userbinator 6 days ago||
This gets a solid "nope" from me, and probably everyone else who has a memory of a very painful sting in their past.
Freak_NL 5 days ago||
I don't hate bees. At all. But the aggregated buzzing sound of a lot of tiny buzzy insects means one thing to me as homeowner: wasps found ingress and a nest was built somewhere in your house. It is a sound I do not want to hear anywhere near my house, because you can't let them be, and getting rid of them is a damn stupid chore which more often than not involves dismantling part of the house to even get at them. I did this once, and that was enough (didn't get stung though).
fhdkweig 5 days ago||
And you can't just poison them either. It leaves a wall full of honey that the cockroaches will find and feast for months or years. The whole hive has to be completely physically removed.
nkrisc 5 days ago|||
I would classify a bee sting as more of an irritating pain, like a stubbed toe.
jader201 5 days ago|||
You must not be allergic, then, because it lasts a lot longer than a stubbed toe, and much more painful than simply “irritating”.

I’d rather stub my toe 10 times than get stung by a bee — well, maybe not the same toe. :)

cryptonector 5 days ago||
One bee sting's effects will last about five days, give or take.

A dozen bee stings' effects will last about two weeks, give or take a few days.

A hundred bee stings is life-threatening.

All that w/o allergies.

technothrasher 5 days ago||
When I was a kid and used to hay the fields on our farm in the summers, I would get stung quite a bit from the ground wasps being kicked up by the hay bailing machines. I got so used to it that it would literally be like a mosquito bite. Annoying for less than 30 seconds. That was years ago, and my tolerance for stings isn't that high any longer. But even today a sting will be bothersome for maybe ten minutes, and within an hour the reaction will be gone completely.
cryptonector 5 days ago||
Bees sting with a lot more poison than wasps. That's because their stingers are barbed and if they pierce far enough into your skin the stinger and its poison bag and poison pumping muscle will not leave your skin unless you pull it. The bee will fly away, but in doing so it will rip its guts out and later die. The stinger will then pump way more poison into you than a wasp would -- the wasp's stinger is not barbed.
cryptonector 5 days ago|||
One, yes. Many, no.
phyzome 6 days ago|||
I've been stung a number of times by bees and wasps, but I still find them fascinating, and I would love to have one of these in my wall.
giantg2 6 days ago|||
I have bees and it gets a nope from me for the inconvenience and potential damage factor. If it were better constructed, maybe. Bees can potentially bend the plexiglass or chew holes in the wood to escape. There are better designs out there.
SoftTalker 6 days ago|||
Honeybees aren’t very aggressive with stings. Yellowjackets in the other hand are vicious if you’re disturbing their nests in any way. Any that establish themselves near my house will be dispatched with as soon as I notice them.
retsibsi 5 days ago|||
> Honeybees aren’t very aggressive with stings.

Depends on the bees! I was always pretty relaxed about bees, until a hive at my house turned mean. They would sting us just for daring to be near them, and by 'near' I don't mean we were approaching the hive -- just walking past it, or doing some gardening several metres away.

worthless-trash 5 days ago||||
Australian natives sting is very minor, maybe even stingless. I've had to move them out of my water main box, thing, in the thousands without getting bitten once and only using latex gloves.
cryptonector 5 days ago|||
Africanized bees can be extremely aggressive.
ThatMedicIsASpy 5 days ago|||
As I've helped my beekeeping grandpa over the years I disagree. I've been stung twice (around thousands of bees) and both times they flew into my hair and could not get out.

I still do not like honey - unless I use it for cooking.

cryptonector 5 days ago|||
I would love one of these in my bedroom. I adore the sounds of bees. It's very relaxing.
bigstrat2003 6 days ago|||
Yeah, I have no particular animus towards bees but they terrify me. Without a doubt the thing I'm most afraid of on this earth. I would be a nervous wreck if I had this in my home.
teddyh 5 days ago|||
You might secretly be an elephant.
johnisgood 5 days ago|||
You should check out some creatures living deep in the ocean. I cannot remember the name, but Lord, they terrify me. It looks like a centipede (ugh), and the way it catches fish is wild. I do not think I am referring to deep-sea amphipod though, but that is wild, too. The ocean is full of terrifying creatures. Bees are lovely in comparison.

Thoughts on centipedes though?

snickerbockers 5 days ago||
Jesus, I clicked expecting a big post about carpenter bees and found something far, far worse.
cryptonector 5 days ago||
I learned some really interesting things from the author's replies in the comments at TFA.
gorfian_robot 6 days ago|
hmm. bee's can easily cause a lot of damage inside your walls. not sure how this is avoided.
giantg2 6 days ago||
Technically the bees don't cause much damage. They will do things like remove insulation. Fermented honey, moisture, ants, wax moths, etc are all more damaging but technically a result of the bees. At least in an observation hive you can see what's happening before it spreads.
schwartzworld 6 days ago||
If the space is sealed, how would they get into the walls?
hasbot 5 days ago||
Carpenter bees tunnel into wood.
HelloMcFly 5 days ago|||
An interior space like this could easily be lined with a more durable material. They also would be easily observed, and wouldn't occupy the space if a queen has taken residence, even if it did it would be quickly crowded out.
hinkley 5 days ago|||
Carpenter bees wouldn’t be hanging out with honey bees.
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