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Posted by spenvo 7/1/2025

Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'(www.wired.com)
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philosophty 7/1/2025|
Two rich kids who have mostly paid-to-win their way into the game are predictably fighting using money because that's all they bring to the table.
cjoelrun 7/1/2025||
Isn't Meta's open model closer to OpenAI's mission then OpenAI.
DaSHacka 7/1/2025|
Ironically, Altman's statement wasnt all that wrong, in a sense.

He just mixed up who the "Missionaries" and who the "Mercenaries" were.

cue_the_strings 7/2/2025||
When you hear him saying it, it's funny.

When you hear this reiterated by employees, who actually believe it, then it's sad. Obviously not in this situation, but I've actually heard this from people. Some of them were even pros. "There is no fool like an educated fool."

getpokedagain 7/2/2025||
This is one of the most fascinating things I've found in the past ten or so years. When did people in general begin to buy into the bullshit spewed by big shots in corporate or really any commercial venture. People at least implicitly understood that the boss just wanted money and would fuck you, nature or his own firmly held beliefs to get it.

People are now shocked when a company cuts a loved product or their boss fires them when someone cheaper comes along.

a4isms 7/2/2025|||
Vocational Awe and the Lies We Tell Ourselves (2018):

https://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2018/vocational-...

HN Discussion:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24602956

This has always applied to tech workers.

swat535 7/2/2025||
Since when the employees believed it?

Anyone who has worked at OpenAI or is currently working there has lost all credibility in my eyes. When their dear leader, Sam was "fired", they staged a coup to save their paychecks.

These people are just out there to may a buck and scam people with "AGI" and now that there is plenty of competition and superior models, I'm hearing crickets from them.

All they had going for them was first to market and they managed to damage the brand, lose their top talent, deliver a subpar product and convert a nonprofit into for profit.

tuannx 7/6/2025||
Meta AI Talent Jiahui Yu: $100M signing bonus, $10M+/year. Alexandr Wang: $100M+ bonus, salary undisclosed. Senior AI Talent: $18M–$100M bonus, $2M–$10M/year. Strategy: Huge bonuses to poach from OpenAI, Google.

Real Madrid Transfers Cristiano Ronaldo: $80M transfer (2009), $15M/year. Gareth Bale: $120M transfer (2013), $17M/year. Kylian Mbappé: $115M bonus (2024), $36M/year. Strategy: Big fees and wages for “Galacticos” to dominate.

Yeul 7/1/2025||
AI as a religion should scare any investor. Where are the products that you can sell for moolah?
rchaud 7/1/2025||
Religion delivers a recurring revenue model that isn't taxed and where criminal confessions can't be used in court if made to a high-ranking company officer. It's the perfect business.
Hoasi 7/2/2025||
Also, some religions have the best branding ever. Studying religions will teach you marketing and virality.
pera 7/1/2025|||
Religions and cults are actually extremely lucrative.

For many investors the product is the hype.

lenerdenator 7/1/2025|||
The product is a model that takes knowledge and puts it in a form that can act on it without a human doing the acting.

You sell it to people who don't want to pay other people while getting the same productivity.

roguecoder 7/2/2025|||
Kenneth Copeland suggests religion can be enough
bagels 7/1/2025|||
They have product that they derive revenue from.
rpjt 7/1/2025||
The most popular religions are super wealthy and lucrative
seatac76 7/1/2025||
“First comes the Missionary, then comes the Mercenary, then comes the Army”

Wonder if that applies here.

bilsbie 7/2/2025||
Dumb question. If they’re willing to pay so much for AI talent. Why won’t companies hire experienced software engineers willing to learn AI on the job? Seems like there should be a big market for that.
JKCalhoun 7/2/2025||
Perhaps it takes too long. The talent they do have would have to split their duties in order to train the incoming engineers.... Just a guess.
roguecoder 7/2/2025|||
They are: https://openai.com/residency/

However, skilling people up on specialized skill sets in a reasonable time frame requires having people around to teach them. And those people need to know not just the skills, but how to teach them well. And it takes time away from those people doing the job, so that approach will slow development in the short run.

But the companies are trying.

bluGill 7/2/2025|||
Don't those have phd's? They are the smartest with background that would take a while to learn.

you are on the right, but only for companies investing for the long term

bravesoul2 7/2/2025|||
I think there isn't a shortage but it let's you get the best now. The very best. Born genius plus didn't cruise, worked hard too, kind of best.
onlyrealcuzzo 7/2/2025||
Meta just wants to have a story for its stock price to go up.

It is definitely worth spending a couple hundred million to make your stock price go up tens of billions for several months.

Presumably not all of that hundreds of millions in investment will be waste, too.

Meta knows they have close to a 0% chance of overtaking ChatGPT or Gemini.

runeblaze 7/2/2025||
there kind of is, but also note we are talking about the exceptional talent here. I don’t think Meta is mass poaching the pure engineer types at OpenAI either
zurfer 7/2/2025||
Everybody talks about what this does to OpenAI, but I do wonder how this shakes out for Meta.

If the person next to you gets paid 20x more than you, you might be a bit unhappy when they are not 20x more helpful.

octocop 7/2/2025||
I don't think it's strange because it feels like Meta is trying to do what OpenAI originally set out to do with making AI accessible to everyone.
beoberha 7/1/2025|
I understand the massive anti-OpenAI sentiment here, but OpenAI makes a really great product. ChatGPT and its ecosystem are widely used by millions every day to make them more productive. Losing these employees doesn’t bode well for users.

Meta doesn’t really have a product unless you count the awful “Meta AI” that is baked into their apps. Unless these acquisitions manifest in frontier models getting open sourced, it feels like a gigantic brain drain.

jstummbillig 7/1/2025|
Meta's real AI product is actually even worse than that and insidious: They try to run over companies who are (in contrast) successfully advancing AI with money they made by hooking teens on IG, and then just use the resulting inferior product as a marketing tool.
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