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Posted by buyucu 7/2/2025

Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei Ascend GPUs(arxiv.org)
321 points | 333 commentspage 2
bgnn 7/2/2025|
A close friend of mine is Chinese. He went back to China to join a HW start-up as a founding engineer 6 years ago. Then cane the sanctions. He said that was the best thing happened when I recently met him. Their company grew because Huawei and all the other Chinese manufacturers don't want to buy anything from a West-aligned country anymore. Nobody cares about the sanctions anymore apparently as they accepted it as a given, so their focus is self reliance.
jjcc 7/2/2025|
The impacts are different sector by sector. Those benefit the most are the small EDA software companies that barely survive before sanctions due to the huge technology gaps behind the large EDA companies like Synopsys. Now they have tones of new customers don't want to take risk of service interruption due to sanction.

It is called hormesis.

Havoc 7/2/2025||
Time to sell nvidia shares?
Havoc 7/2/2025||
Strange that they'd ban EU via license but not US
123yawaworht456 7/2/2025||
EU has a nebulous AI act that prohibits a myriad things.
TiredOfLife 7/3/2025|||
They are currently in a war with europe, but not yet US
seydor 7/2/2025||
They wanted to exclude EU reviewers for when publishing their paper to a journal. EU reviewers are notoriously obnoxious and often chosen to be reviewer #2.
mzl 7/2/2025||
Yes, as a reviewer of a paper I am assigned a number, and must by nominative determinism fulfill the expectations...
vkaku 7/3/2025||
The next moment I'd like to see is a mass 15-20A fab and suddenly making all the controls obsolete.
vkaku 7/3/2025|
The cards mentioned in the paper are also seemingly well priced for most developers: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Original-Huaweis-Atla...
FirmwareBurner 7/2/2025||
Will the US also sanction countries buying Ascend GPUs*?

*) They're NPUs not GPUs, since they can't render graphics

chenzhekl 7/2/2025||
US Warns That Using Huawei AI Chip ‘Anywhere’ Breaks Its Rules

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-13/us-warns-...

teloli 7/2/2025|||
Oh boy do they love the free market!
roenxi 7/2/2025|||
They may have misunderstood it as free from Huawei.
atlasduo 7/2/2025||||
So, it is "buy made in US products or face sanctions" now? This will end well, I bet.
kesor 7/2/2025||||
> The agency's Bureau of Industry and Security said in a statement Tuesday that it's also planning to warn the public about "the potential consequences of allowing US AI chips to be used for training and inference of Chinese AI models."

The A.I. war is intense, and you can clearly see who is s** their pants here.

throawayonthe 7/2/2025||||
https://archive.is/GrvVo
v5v3 7/2/2025||||
I am presuming that only applies to US companies? To stop them using it at their sites outside of the USA.
kesor 7/2/2025||
No, it applies to anyone who wants to do business with the US. https://www.bis.gov/press-release/department-commerce-rescin...
tliltocatl 7/2/2025|||
This is just beyond stupid. Sanctions as in "not letting them use our advantage" might make some sense, but "not letting us use their advantage" is just another level of retardity.
quantum_state 7/2/2025||
Very much indeed …
ronsor 7/2/2025|||
Yes.

Huawei GPUs are illegal worldwide now, according to the US government.

falcor84 7/2/2025|||
Cue the Team America: World Police music
firesteelrain 7/2/2025|||
Yes because Huawei uses US technology. Huawei can’t be competitive without US and EU technology (ASML, Tokyo Electron, Applied Materials, Lam Research, KLA, Cadence, Synopsys, or Mentor, etc)
FirmwareBurner 7/2/2025||
Here's a thought exercise: If EU and US are the inventors of silicone tech at the basis of all products, why are they struggling to beat China in the free and open AI market and need to resort to kneecapping it?

Like, if you're so good at something why are you scared of the unproven newcomer beating you?

firesteelrain 7/2/2025||
The issue is not fear but strategic control. The United States and European Union form the backbone of the global semiconductor ecosystem, from design software like Cadence and Synopsys to manufacturing tools from ASML and Applied Materials. Huawei’s chips depend on this infrastructure. When entities use US-origin technology to build AI hardware, they fall under export control regardless of where the chips are used. This is not about competing in a fair market but about controlling the development and use of advanced computing in areas like defense, surveillance, and critical infrastructure.
esafak 7/2/2025||
You just explained why they are scared.
firesteelrain 7/2/2025||
Not scared - aware. Strategic assets like compute and semiconductor capability shape global influence. Controlling those assets is about ensuring they are not used to undermine national security interests. That is not fear. It is policy rooted in leverage and long-term risk assessment.
hgomersall 7/2/2025||
Maybe we could write some code that we can use to use them as gp-npus (graphics-processing NPUs).
zeld4 7/2/2025||
The silicon valley should thank Huawei and Deepseek, as the only two reasons AI exists as an industry in US are (a) reduce labor cost (b) win over China.

(a) alone sounds super negative to ordinary people, but with (b), justified by the existence and achievement of Huawei & Deepseek, the AI cause now sounds a legit jihad silicon valley is carrying.

logic_node 7/3/2025||
So now we’ve reached the point where one AI needs to verify another’s step-by-step thoughts. Feels like the early days of code linters — only now it’s for reasoning chains. Honestly, not mad about it though… if LLMs are going to "think out loud," someone’s gotta fact-check the monologue.
yanhangyhy 7/2/2025||
huawei's Ascend GPUs is the only choice for many chinese company for now. Huge win for huawei.
MangoCoffee 7/2/2025||
People on HN are so delusional it's funny.

The semiconductor industry is always a key industry for China. They laid it out in Made in China 2025.

Huawei designed and developed its own chip before any sanctions, and the Chinese government never stopped throwing money into the semiconductor industry.

In the short term, money can go to Nvidia, but it won't be long before China creates its own "Nvidia" like BYD.

The sad part is America elected Trump, and he's gutting American research and cutting out the CHIPS Act.

One country is going for the long term while another country is short sighted

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