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Posted by gammarator 3 days ago

Astronomers discover 3I/ATLAS – Third interstellar object to visit Solar System(www.abc.net.au)
Minor Planet Electronic Circular: https://minorplanetcenter.net/mpec/K25/K25N12.html
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jcfrei 2 days ago|
If this new 8m diameter telescope already provides us with so many new discoveries then I can't wait until the ELT with 39m diameter goes online.
sapiogram 2 days ago|
ELT will not discover many new objects, it's built to do deeper followup observations of known targets. On the other hand, Vera Rubin was designed to be a survey telescope, repeatedly imaging the entire night sky to discover new objects. It will not do targeted observations, or at least very few.
aeve890 2 days ago||
>Vera Rubin was designed to be a survey telescope, repeatedly imaging the entire night sky to discover new objects.

The entire _southern hemisphere_ night sky right?

sapiogram 2 days ago||
Yeah, not the entire northern sky at least. It's located only 30 degrees south though, so its coverage will be pretty damn good.
renrutal 2 days ago||
It would be neat if we could take a hitchhike with it.

Probably only Project Orion would be able to catch up to its current 60kms/s speed by October.

Klathmon 2 days ago|
Given it's passing retrograde (is that even the right way to say that?), would that make it easier to catch up and intercept?

Assuming you don't want to do anything but fly by or smash into it

carlsborg 2 days ago||
The great filter: light years of travel needed by detection probes.
andrewstuart 2 days ago||
Are we going to be able to get a close look at this?
russdill 2 days ago|
Not really, the sun will be in a rather inconvenient position.
sasikumardas 1 day ago||
Interesting
andrewstuart 2 days ago||
They’re always coming through.

The solar system is an interstellar highway.

Chariots Of The Gods, man.

But seriously, why would interstellar objects come towards our solar system?

It seems strange. Does gravity do that?

If there’s two within ten years then there has to be a veritable swarm of these things traveling between the stars - is that right or wrong?

hermitcrab 2 days ago||
Objects can get flung out of solar systems when they pass close to large objects. Similar to how spacecraft get gravity assists.
Jyaif 2 days ago|||
A very rough calculation would suggested that the cylinder that goes from our solar system to Proxima Centauri contains 5000 similarly sized objects moving at the same speed:

1 object crossing the solar system plane every 5 years at 60km/s

+

Proxima Centauri is approximately 5 light years away

=>

there are `speed of light / 60km/s` objects in the cylinder.

alganet 2 days ago||
> But seriously, why would interstellar objects come towards our solar system?

Why wouldn't they?

coolspot 2 days ago|||
Because to go through plane like that they need to match our solar system speed relative to galaxy.
alganet 2 days ago||
Universe is big and full of random small rocks floating around everywhere.

Why should I believe some object was _intentionally_ thrown here? Maybe it is just one of those random rocks.

typeofhuman 2 days ago||
> Floating around everywhere.

Sorry to be pedantic. But space is really, really, really... empty. That's why the best name for it is, space.

alganet 2 days ago||
You can go outside at night and see big rocks floating. If space is so empty, how is it possible that you can see them with your own eyes?

We live in a patch of space that's not that empty. Maybe that interstellar rock floated from other patch of space that's not that empty all the way over here, all on its own.

Most rocks we see in our patch of space, as far as we can possibly know, were not intentionally launched.

andrewstuart 2 days ago|||
Because space is big. Really really big.
alganet 2 days ago||
The ocean is big compared to a fish, but I can still find fish in it quite easily.

There's nothing statistically weird about these interstellar objects.

m3kw9 2 days ago||
It sucks to have the unpopular opinion that I wish it is aliens coming for a visit.
netsharc 1 day ago|
The "popular" understanding might even be "it's aliens!". Let me pull my elitist card, but I think it's irresponsible for journalists to use the word "visit", because it implies a thinking creature performing an action. God knows this planet has too many morons who'll see this headline and understand it to be "definitely aliens!"...
beefnugs 2 days ago||
How do they plot the path of these things without knowing its weight and size? Seems like bullshit, especially when they specifically say "the sun will barely affect it" ?? The sun affects everything in proportion to the things you exactly dont yet know, doesn't it?
codelikeawolf 1 day ago|
When you're dealing with objects as small as this, their weight and size is essentially mathematically irrelevant. It doesn't have any type of propulsion, so we know that unless it collides with something along its trajectory, it will keep following the same course. We know the mass and diameter of the celestial bodies that the object will be traveling near, so we can calculate how those bodies will affect its trajectory. As one of the top comments said: it has a very high eccentricity, which means it's traveling along a path that forms a very elongated, open hyperbole, so it won't come close enough to the sun to be affected by its gravitational pull if it continues to follow its current trajectory.
tomhow 3 days ago||
We updated the URL to the ABC news report as it's more understandable to lay people, at least those like me. If someone finds a better report, let us know and we'll be happy to update it.

The original URL was https://minorplanetcenter.net/mpec/K25/K25N12.html, which I've included in the header.

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