Posted by NotAnOtter 23 hours ago
Ask HN: Worth leaving position over push to adopt vibe coding?
I'm a 'senior engineer' with ~5 years of industry experience and am considering moving on from this company because I don't want
1. Be pushed into a workflow that will cause my technical growth to stall or degrade 2. Be overseeing a bunch of AI-generated spaghetti 2-3 years from now
Feel free to address my specific situation but I'm interested in more general opinions.
There's no going back to pre-LLM days. Just like we're not going to stop using machines to weave textiles.
They’re going to pay you to learn to work with the thing you need to learn to work with anyway? Be smart. Take the deal.
That said, it’s a free country, you can quit any time for any reason.
CEO can afford being somewhat ignorant about the nature of engineering work or how llms work (still a red flag for a tech company).
But CTO being that stupid (if you don’t exaggerate) leaves little room for doubts.
If it is CTO only and the engineers all disagree. Maybe worth thinking about how to get that voice heard without ruffling feathers.
Try an evaporating cloud! This is a bit heavy to read but is a good technique to think about. It is so good it might change YOUR mind too about this situation! It looks to get to the facts and once practices is a good tool to use.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporating_cloud
Tldr is they want vibe coding because X and you want not vibe coding because of Y. The assumption is Y = !X but if it isn't there could be a good win win.
Why not just add new tests or refactor the existing ones? Seems kind of silly.
Aside from that:
- if you don't like AI tools and can afford to do so, then look for a place that matches how you want to work
- if you do like AI tools, or are open to learning them, then there isn't an issue (aside from maybe how they're used)
There isn't much more to it: https://blog.kronis.dev/blog/ai-artisans-and-brainrot (bit of a rant of mine on the topic, the tl;dr would be that the cat is out of the bag in regards to these tools and there are both positives and negatives, but they lead to brainrot and degradation of skills the same way how IDEs and StackOverflow did, just a large leap further)So there are companies where forcing vibe coding/LLM stuff is not a thing at all. This is majority of companies by the way. You can easily find one of them.
I would like to call out deleting the unit tests as a very funny way to deal with code generators breaking the product.