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Posted by JumpCrisscross 8/30/2025

Six months into tariffs, businesses have no idea how to price anything(www.wsj.com)
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more_corn 8/30/2025|
Because the cost of goods continues to fluctuate wildly due to ongoing tariff wrangling that nobody asked for or needed.

Also farmers can’t sell anything because retaliation has destroyed international demand (I’d say decimated but it’s way worse than reduction by a tenth)

unnamed76ri 8/30/2025||
I don’t know if you can factually back up your claims but I applaud your proper use of decimate. It is a rare thing. One might even say it happens less than 10% of the time.
furyofantares 8/30/2025|||
Decimation was way worse than reduction by a tenth. It was a punishment in the Roman army where the offending unit was divided into groups of 10 and each group had to draw straws. Whoever drew the short straw must be stoned or clubbed to death by the other 9.

If you threatened me with death if I didn't cut off my feet, I wouldn't consider that "reduction by 10%" even if mathematically it might be.

analog31 8/30/2025|||
Look on the bright side, it would have been much more harsh, had they worked in binary.
Agraillo 8/31/2025|||
Hmm.. Is this my brain inference or the parent comment author' too: "Bright side of life" -> "Always look at the bright side of life" from "Monty Python's Life of Brian" -> plot was taking place during Roman times (mentioned in the GP comment)
djoldman 8/30/2025||||
Yep. 10 times worse.
underlipton 8/30/2025|||
Would you say it's half as bad as the worst-case scenario?
nickpeterson 8/30/2025|||
Could be worse, you could be stabbed.
mwcremer 8/31/2025||
At least it gets you out in the fresh air.
CorrectHorseBat 8/30/2025|||
It's not proper use, it's archaic use. Do you also claim bread is meat? A cat is a deer?
dahart 8/30/2025|||
I wouldn’t say archaic or historical definitions are improper, but you’re right - the primary meaning of decimate in English changed and now means to destroy the majority of. Maybe this is because decimate was always very damaging; threat of death is very serious, regardless of the numbers.

That said, I had sweet breads recently. And a cat being a deer sounds strange in English now, but deer is still the word for animal in other Germanic languages today, even if it faded in English, so it doesn’t sound completely archaic.

downrightmike 8/30/2025|||
I split the hair where chickens were men
JumpCrisscross 8/30/2025|||
> farmers can’t sell anything because retaliation has destroyed international demand

Not true. At least not yet.

Q2 agricultural exports were roughly flat to Q1 [1].

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/B181RC1Q027SBEA

0cf8612b2e1e 8/30/2025|||
Soybean farmers are predicting a world of hurt as China continues to acquire from South America instead.

  “Overall, export sales of this fall’s (U.S.) soybean crop are down 81% from the five-year average,” Brasher reported.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2025/08/20/soybean-farme...
declan_roberts 8/30/2025||
South America doesn't produce enough soy beans for them to replace America even if China bought every single ounce of soy.

When it comes to soy, America has enormous leverage and China already accepted they're negotiating from a position of weakness.

0cf8612b2e1e 8/30/2025|||
Leverage? Soybeans are the number one US food export (historically mostly to China). To date, China has purchased zero bushels this year. This is with US soy being cheaper than the competition. Maybe China cannot replace 100% of their demand today, but they are showing a united front that their import numbers will be kept as low as possible.

  …Basse says soybean importers aren’t just snubbing U.S. soybeans. They are specifically being told by the Chinese government to not buy U.S. beans.

  “So, if you’re a Chinese importer or a Chinese crusher, you’ve been told by the government not to buy U.S. soybeans until they tell you to. This is how China works. Today the Chinese have a stronghold on buying United States soybeans, even though our prices are nearly $1 a bushel cheaper than what they’re buying in Brazil. This is the pressure that I believe the Chinese government is trying to apply on the Trump administration during a trade negotiation,”…
https://www.agweb.com/news/crops/soybeans/8-soybeans-thats-r...
imglorp 8/30/2025||||
China may elect not to replace the whole shortfall. They may value the message it sends more.
0cf8612b2e1e 8/31/2025||
80% of soy is destined for animal feed. While there is undoubtedly some reason why chicken and pigs have historically been fed soy meal ($/kg, nutritional profile, speed of animal growth, etc) -animal feed seems very fungible. If there is a soybean deficit, seems plausible to swap to some other abundant crop.
jandrewrogers 8/31/2025||
Those crops would need to have been planted at scale months ago, with the full supply chain build-out leading up to that beforehand. The history of agricultural supply chains demonstrates that it is not nearly as agile as laypeople assume due to a long chain of sequential dependencies.

You either have to find a way to consume what is already in the pipeline or go without. Governments are very sensitive to the food security implications because there isn’t much slack politically to “go without”.

Anarch157a 8/31/2025||||
If China has a monopsony on soy beans, then they nogociate from a position if power, because the US either sells on their terms or see the beans rot.
brazukadev 8/30/2025|||
The worst scenario for China is inflation. They are fighting deflation so that would actually help them solve the issue.
LPisGood 8/30/2025|||
Is that normal? It seems to me like we’d expect Q2 agricultural exports to usually be much higher than Q1.
JumpCrisscross 8/30/2025||
Seasonally adjusted and annualised.
krior 8/31/2025|||
> nobody asked for

The american public asked for it loud and clear for it last november. We should respect that.

blackbear_ 8/31/2025||
Loud and clear? Trump didn't even get half of the votes (49.8%) and almost 36% of eligible voters didn't vote, meaning that not even one third of the American public voted for this.
krior 8/31/2025||
Popular vote does not matter to americans, otherwise they would have changed the voting system.

36% of voters said: I support every outcome of the election, no matter what.

And we are now about half a year into his term and I see some complaining, but not one single person seriously opposing him and his politics. If the things he does were really that unpopular, he would not be able to do them. To me it seems like he has the full support of the american public.

blackbear_ 8/31/2025||
> Popular vote does not matter to americans

The question is whether and how much these policies are supported, and the popular vote is obviously relevant in this regard.

> 36% of voters said: I support every outcome of the election, no matter what

That's not really true, for all you know those voters didn't support either outcome. You would expect a "loud and clear" victory not to leave one third of people unconvinced enough to avoid voting altogether.

> but not one single person seriously opposing him and his politics

Almost four hundred lawsuits have been filed against his administration, thousands of public protest events are happening, and the tariffs themselves were just ruled illegal. What does "serious" opposition look like to you? In any case, this is certainly not what "full support" looks like.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/projects-series/trials-of-the-t...

https://time.com/7312601/anti-trump-administration-protests-...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgj7jxkq58o

> If the things he does were really that unpopular, he would not be able to do them.

What is the logic behind this?

krior 8/31/2025||
> The question is whether and how much these policies are supported, and the popular vote is obviously relevant in this regard.

They are supported by the election. The american puplic accepted the result. Popular vote is not relevant for Trump.

> That's not really true, for all you know those voters didn't support either outcome. You would expect a "loud and clear" victory not to leave one third of people unconvinced enough to avoid voting altogether.

Maybe they had different reasons, but unfortunately thats not how not casting a vote works in a democracy. If you do not vote, you support the winner, no matter your intentions.

> Almost four hundred lawsuits have been filed against his administration

Trump has every branch of the government in his hand, law does not matter to him. Besides, he is a convicted criminal already. A few more lost lawsuits don't matter.

> Thousands of public protest events are happening

And millions of americans are not attending. Feels more like a vocal minority to me than a real movement.

> the tariffs themselves were just ruled illegal

I have not followed closely, but someday it gets to the supreme court and they will say "the president can do whatever he want", like they have said in the past.

> What does "serious" opposition look like to you?

Something that prevents Trump from executing his plans. Something that prevents Trump from just doing whatever he wants.

> time.com: "...thousands of protesters attended demonstrations on Independence Day..."

Thousands? Thats a fraction of a fraction of the american population. I am sorry, but I fail to see how that supports your point.

I will have to admit I am a little jaded when it comes to the US, but you must forgive me: when the US threatens your country with war, a lot of nuance goes out of the window. If an american clusterbomb kills me and my family tomorrow, I won't care that it has been ruled illegal by some lower court (Trump won't either).

breadwinner 8/30/2025||
Trump is even using Tariff threats to strong-arm other countries to retreat on their climate goals [1]. If the Supreme Court agrees that the Trump can do this then that means we have a dictator — one that will do way more harm than the one in North Korea.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/27/climate/trump-internation...

eclipticplane 8/31/2025||
Don't forget tariffs in response to countries enforcing their own laws against an attempted military coup. We're paying higher prices on coffee because President Trump's friend is being charged with trying to overthrow the Brazilian government.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/trump-...

breadwinner 8/31/2025||
Ans tariffs in response to India not nominating Trump for Nobel peace prize!

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/30/us/politics/trump-modi-in...

EasyMark 8/31/2025|||
He's a very simple-minded person with a hammer that up til now (court case) seemed to be working. He doesn't understand nuance or negotiation or any of that, he understands having the upper hand (military, economic power) and how to bludgeon people with it. That's why when he comes up against similar sized bullies (Putin/Xi) he is flummoxed and beaten every single time because they're much more cunning than him. Sure, he can bully Laos or Thailand and get deals, but the big dogs beat him every time.
kragen 8/31/2025|||
The Paris agreement was very important when renewable energy required state subsidies, but it is no longer necessary. Fossil-fuel power is no longer economically competitive without subsidies thanks to (largely Chinese) improvements in the costs of solar panels and the necessary power electronics. Over a few decades, solar-powered energy superabundance will reduce the costs of atmospheric carbon capture to the point where even private charity can handle it.

On https://www.solarserver.de/photovoltaik-preis-pv-modul-preis... you can see that mainstream solar panels have returned to their all-time low price of €0.100 per peak watt from November, while low-cost solar panels have fallen to a new all-time low of €0.055 per peak watt, an all-time low first achieved last month, and a 21% decline from a year ago. The "mainstream" category price is down 17% from a year ago. This is driving down the prices of complementary products and enabling new low-cost installation methods that would have been unthinkable just a few years ago.

Because it's so astoundingly cheap, last year China installed 277 GW(p) of solar power generation capacity: https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=65064. This compares to a total electrical generation capacity in the US of 1189 GW, albeit with a higher capacity factor: https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-.... This year the projection is that China will have installed another 380 GW of solar capacity, giving it more solar electrical generation capacity than the US has total electrical generation capacity from all sources: https://www.pv-magazine.com/2025/07/10/china-on-track-to-dep...

Consequently we're seeing reports that, for Chinese AI startups, energy is a "solved problem", while US companies worry they'll be unable to get enough energy to compete: https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell....

This is one of the most historically important things happening in the world today, but it's surprisingly little known even among people who are otherwise well informed.

Even if Trump could strong-arm other rich countries into imposing US-style prohibitive tariffs on Chinese solar panels, he certainly won't strong-arm China, so the cat is out of the bag; that would just make those countries economically uncompetitive with Chinese products produced with superabundant solar energy. And panels are already being mass-produced overseas with Chinese technology at prices fossil fuels can't compete with.

DocTomoe 8/31/2025||
Ironically, the Chinese seem to disagree, as they bring online new Coal-powered power plants every other week, with 94.5 GW of new capacity having started construction in the first half of 2024 and another 66.7 GW approved. And that's 'permanently available', not (p) = peak.

"Solar is cheaper than fossil" does not look at the whole picture, it completely ignores that solar is not scalable quickly enough to meet rising energy demands. It also is a dark laugh towards consumers, who do not see prices lowering, but exponentially rising, ironically while the so-called cheap power sources are being rolled out.

boulos 8/31/2025|||
To put it in perspective, China installed 277 GW of new solar capacity in 2024.

For coal, the "started construction" number there isn't the same metric as began operation. You want to look for "commissioned" and you get 30 GW. From https://energyandcleanair.org/publication/when-coal-wont-ste...

> Note: In 2024, 66.7 GW of new coal power capacity was permitted, a decline from previous years but still above the subdued pace seen earlier in the year. New and revived coal power proposals totaled 68.9 GW, down from 117 GW in 2023 and 146 GW in 2022, indicating a potential slowdown in project initiation. Meanwhile, construction started on 94.5 GW of new coal capacity — the highest since 2015 — suggesting continued momentum in project development. However, the pace of new coal plants entering operation has been more moderate, with 30.5 GW commissioned so far in 2024, down from 49.8 GW last year but in line with 2021 and 2022 levels.

China is well positioned to do solar + storage, but a lot of that coal is probably (a) for base load, (b) for steel production and (c) to keep the coal miners in business. From the same write up:

> In 2024, more than 75% of newly approved coal power capacity was backed by coal mining companies or energy groups with coal mining operations, artificially driving up coal demand even when market fundamentals do not justify it.

kragen 9/1/2025|||
Although it's somewhat obnoxious, I'll quote Rui Ma's summary in https://xcancel.com/ruima/status/1955372325970514161:

> Hey n00bs: the up‑and‑to‑the‑right charts people fling around about China’s coal tell you almost nothing you think they do. Here's what actually matters:

> 1/ China’s electricity supply exploded over the last decade (versus stagnant for US)

> 2/ new growth is now being met mostly by clean power, coal is at all time low % of total

> 3/ grid delivery got a lot better (bigger and more efficient)

> 4/ China’s power‑sector emissions look like they peaked or are peaking, like 5 years ahead of its official deadline

> So if you reply with “BUT COAL PLANTS!!1!” without talking about utilization, per‑capita numbers, or the grid, you’re, uh, auditioning for the quote‑tweet (thx ChatGPT for this insult).

> More details below for those who have more than half a brain cell available: ...

Coal plant approvals in China last year ended up even lower than the 66.7 GW number you give, only 62.24 GW: https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulat... That's for all of 02024, not (as you said) the first half.

Contrary to your assertion, that is the peak ("(p)") or nameplate capacity of the coal plants in question. However, coal plants do have a higher capacity factor than solar plants, which may have been what you were trying to say. In the US, which has the best data available, coal plants are operated with an average capacity factor of 42% (much lower than historical averages around 75%) while PV is down at 23%: https://www.statista.com/statistics/183680/us-average-capaci... but I think that in China the gap is wider. From memory, I think I worked out that China's average solar capacity factor has been around 10%, while coal is nearly 50%.

So 62GW(p) of coal capacity built would be about 30GW 'permanently available'. Moreover, However, not all of those regulatorily approved projects will actually come to fruition. You can see from boulos's numbers that only about half of approved plants ever get built. So 62GW approved is more like an average of 15GW actually produced—for the few short years before the plants are shut down.

I'm not sure what you mean by "not scalable quickly enough to meet rising energy demands". China was indeed having a hard time scaling electrical generation quickly enough to meet rising energy demands, back when they were more heavily coal-dependent. They had a full-blown crisis in 02021 with widespread blackouts. But that's because fossil fuels aren't scalable. That's why they installed 500 GW (half a terawatt) of new electrical generation capacity last year, half of which is solar and 80% of which is renewables. As Lauri Myllyvirta says in https://xcancel.com/laurimyllyvirta/status/19603213250099530..., it's probably also why they're still building even the small amount of coal-fired generation capacity they are:

> Permitting of a massive wave of new coal plants was a knee-jerk response to early-2020s power shortages and grid challenges from rapid wind and solar growth. The coal industry marketed itself as the solution, showing its entrenched influence. Since then, better grid operation and storage have largely addressed those issues, while the coal projects approved at the time are still under construction. A huge pipeline of already permitted projects remains.

He cites https://energyandcleanair.org/publication/chinas-coal-is-los... for further information.

I don't have a good handle on consumer electricity prices in China, but from Rui Ma's figures in https://xcancel.com/ruima/status/1960397673921699955, they don't seem to be exponentially rising; the average residential rate she gives is 0.542 RMB/kWh, which is US$0.076/kWh. That was for 02019. According to https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cost-of-e..., in 02024, Chinese consumers were paying US$0.08/kWh for their electricity, so they basically haven't seen a price increase in five years. And they're paying less than half the average in the US, where solar deployment is so much less advanced.

By the way, my comment you were replying to cited 5 sources of reliable information. This comment, in reply to yours, cites two reliable sources, plus Statista, World Population Review, and two people on Twitter. Your comment disagreeing with mine cites zero sources, and unsurprisingly virtually every assertion in it is wrong. I corrected five factual errors in your four-sentence comment, and I suspect there are more. Don't you have any information to contribute? Do you just not care whether what you're saying is true or not? Do you think that insufficient ignorance is a big problem in the world, so you'd like to create additional ignorance?

DocTomoe 4 days ago||
Respectfully, and without the numerous number cherrypicking ad hominem and appeals to authority in your reply (which I have come to expect from the B90/Greens): I think you are missing the point.

Solar energy production is great - but the problem is not "we have too little solar", it is "we need to lower CO₂ emissions". If China keeps piling up coal power plant capacity, it is irrelevant for the main problem if they also install lots of solar.

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LeafItAlone 8/31/2025|||
Actually, that’s what called an evidence-based conclusion. I know evidence and science have really taken a plunge in our federal government these past few months, but we can still use them on HN.
hereme888 9/1/2025||
So how come "half the country" (millions of people) support and appreciate the tariff ordeal due to its positive economic impact in their personal lives? They're not Trump's friends or family.

You have the wrong evidence and conclusion.

AngryData 8/31/2025|||
Seeing reality as it is doesn't make it black and white or blind. The dude hocked beans out of the White House for personal profit.
LeafItAlone 8/31/2025|||
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/30/us/politics/trump-modi-in...
alex1138 8/30/2025||
How can you possibly do more harm than the one in NK, literally starving your population?
vkou 8/31/2025|||
Nobody outside of SK, NK, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Of The People's Republic of China seriously two figs about anything that happens in NK.

The country could get hit by a meteor tomorrow, and nobody else would notice.

alex1138 8/31/2025||
I give two figs about it, the guy should be arrested
breadwinner 8/30/2025||||
The one in NK is doing that only to his own country. Trump is destroying the whole planet by withdrawing from the Paris agreement and then by strong-arming other countries to do the same. If we haven't already passed the tipping point Trump's actions will make sure we do, destroying all hope.
EasyMark 8/31/2025|||
Bah, India and China are pumping out way more pollutants than the USA. If you're going to bring the USA up, bring them all up. They all need to get their act together. Europe to a lesser extent but at least they're trying.
FridayoLeary 8/30/2025|||
Also trumps a fascist and NK is communist so the logic is inconsistent.
ronsor 8/31/2025|||
No one cares about "fascism" or "communism"; these labels distract from the root of the problem: authoritarianism. Mind you, without excessive power and authority, neither hardcore fascists nor hardcore communists can do that much.
AngryData 8/31/2025|||
So NK workers own or control the means of production?
FridayoLeary 8/31/2025||
That's not communism. They are all oppressed, impoverished and dehumanised by the mechanism of the state. Like China and the Soviet union.
const_cast 8/31/2025||
You can't just redefine communism to mean "bad thing" and then say "see? Communism bad!"

Communism has a real definition. NK is not communist. China is not communist either.

FridayoLeary 8/31/2025||
At this stage communism has been tried and failed so many times that it's silly to conclude that it isn't inherently evil. It's just hubris to think you could do it better yourself.
const_cast 8/31/2025|||
This is a different belief.

You can believe communism is evil. You can't believe communism is evil because you just attribute everything evil to communism.

That's just bad reasoning. Like, really really bad reasoning. Like, I think most small children have higher reasoning capabilities than that.

triceratops 9/1/2025|||
There are many bad systems that fail and cause misery and poverty. Communism is one of them but there are others.
johnnienaked 8/31/2025||
Haven't tariffs been paused since they've been announced?
estearum 8/31/2025||
Some of them yes, some of them no. There are now several thousand different "tax brackets" for imported items and the apparent rates on them fluctuate by the day.
Gigachad 8/31/2025||
Most global post offices are just suspending packages to the US because they don’t know what the price is or how to pay it.
johnnienaked 8/31/2025|||
Makes it hard to believe the administration's claims of hundreds of billions in revenue
georgeecollins 8/31/2025||
The best data I could find* was that tariffs Jan - Jun raised 93b in revenue (or 180b / year if it were constant- unlikely but who knows). For comparison, the 2025 deficit is $1865b, so tariffs could take a bite out of the deficit, but never come close to balancing the budget.

The most positive argument I have heard is that it would be a small consumption tax that is regressive. Small because the US doesn't really import that much compared to most global economies. It's just things we fixate on like cars or steel, which actually aren't that economically important anymore. Maybe strategically? I feel like people are trying to make economic sense of an emotional / populist policy.

* https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/2025/trumps-tariff...

songqin 8/31/2025|||
this isn't true, tariffs are assessed within the US by the receiving firm, not on the sender's side. We run a business with a foreign supply chain and our suppliers have changed nothing, we just get an extra bill to pay to the government when our inventory arrives.
cbcoutinho 8/31/2025|||
This is related to the removal of 'de minimis' rule that exempts parcels under $800 to ship duty free. This has caused some European postal services to stop/delay shipping some packages to the US [0]. The Dutch postal service for instance has stopped shipping to the US [1]

[0]: https://apnews.com/article/us-tariffs-goods-services-suspens...

[1]: https://www.postnl.nl/campagnes/online-frankeren-vs/

Gigachad 8/31/2025||||
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-26/australia-post-commer...

>"Specifically, the requirement for duties and taxes to be prepaid on all shipments prior to their arrival in the US,"

mallets 8/31/2025|||
It's more the public postal services with very cheap international shipping, they typically can't or won't handle import customs/tariffs and operate under the assumption that the packages aren't valuable enough. Many of them don't even have tracking.
buyucu 8/31/2025|||
It changes every week :)

Which is also very destructive because such instability is very bad for long-term business planning.

georgeecollins 8/31/2025|||
Some have been paused, some have been raised (India for example). It seems to be pretty chaotic.
toasterlovin 8/31/2025||
The originally announced tariff rates have been “paused” (in reality they were never implemented), but in their place has been a 10% global tariff. China already had tariffs of 25% from the 1st Trump admin, plus 20% from February, so tariffs on goods from China are currently at 55%. But the rest of the world is at 10% right now (only the UK has actually signed a trade deal).
BartjeD 8/31/2025||
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tomhow 9/1/2025||
Please don't fulminate or post inflammatory comments about nations on HN.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

polonbike 8/31/2025|||
My point of view , from Europe, is that political violence is already there in the US. As well as state violence (not just on political opponents, but also on all minorities and "people who have a different opinion"). The next step is indeed a second civil war, with 21st century characteristics (hybrid war, etc...) I am not enthusiastic about the near future for the US nor for the world.
typeofhuman 8/31/2025||
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tmountain 8/31/2025|||
What children are being “gang raped”? Your comment reads like extremist rhetoric.
abrichr 8/31/2025||||
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploit...
FridayoLeary 8/31/2025|||
I fully understand your disbelief but that is actually what is going on. Thousands of children abused by gangs.
r2_pilot 8/31/2025||
If you fully understand the disbelief, you'd understand why you, being the one advancing the claim, should provide the source(s) you are using for your Bayesian priors so that, assuming those information sources are of sufficient quality, we can also have the benefit of your knowledge. Until then, it is only rational that people reject your claim.
FridayoLeary 8/31/2025||
I'm not sure what all that sophistry is about seeing as this is easily available information that anyone can find out about with literally 2 seconds of googling. Anyway heres a report from the bbc https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2r2ejlvm1o .
jgilias 8/31/2025||||
That’s whataboutism though
enaaem 8/31/2025|||
Ironically, if a civil war was going to happen it will be because Trump's overuse of the military. It is such an newbie African dictator mistake. Every time you use the military to put down civil unrest you give them an inch of your power and before you know it, they figure they don't need the regime anymore.

You will never see Putin outsourcing civilian tasks to the military.

typeofhuman 8/31/2025||
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NegativeK 8/31/2025||
I'm fairly certain you've never lived in Chicago or spoken to the people in areas affected by gang violence.
typeofhuman 8/31/2025||
You'd be wrong empirically but also wrong in how you came to a "fairly certain" conclusion with very little evidence.
typeofhuman 8/31/2025||
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tomhow 8/31/2025|||
Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.

Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

peterpost2 8/31/2025||||
If those things are true they all are seen small peanuts compared to the police state that is being developed in the U.S. with masked men pulling brown people of the street without identifying themselves and without due process.

Get your priorities straight.

To quote Niemöller:

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
         Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
         Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
         Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
valar_m 8/31/2025|||
That seems extremely unlikely given the significant global economic impact of tariffs, and the comparatively microscopic effect of transgender athletic participation in the United States.

For example, when Kentucky passed their trans sports ban in 2022, there was a grand total of one (1) transgender high school athlete in the state[0].

I mean, it's almost laughable to suggest that any of those things are even near comparable to the potential long-term impact of historically unprecedented tariffs being thoughtlessly tossed around on a whim.

[0] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trans-athlete-bans-fischer-we...

mothballed 8/31/2025||
They are related in the sense that stuff like violent crime by ethnic gangs and transgender affirmation of children easily rile up people to Trump or others who will bluntly oppose it, and then you end up with poorly designed tariffs.

It was largely a failure of anti tariff other candidates to capture these other 'easy wins' needed to get to the point of implementing sane economic policy.

fakedang 8/30/2025||
Somebody give my man Trump a fiddle.
platevoltage 8/30/2025|||
I'm trying to imagine Trump playing any sort of musical instrument.
patchtopic 8/31/2025||
something good for small hands, some kind of russian flute?
platevoltage 8/31/2025||
I was gonna say something gross but decided against it.
MathMonkeyMan 8/31/2025||
Somebody make AI replace this guy with Donald Trump pretty please: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZbfNtDCHdM>.
fakedang 8/31/2025||
Needs more cheese spray on the face but otherwise the resemblance is uncanny!
sirnonw 8/30/2025||
Funny how there is a post-it with a password glued to the screen of the computer in the lede image, now in plain sight for thousands of readers.
ashton314 8/30/2025||
Looks like there's a year at the end; might be to facilitate suckurity requirements such as yearly password rotation.
ronsor 8/30/2025||
Some places do 3 months! It's amazing
mystraline 8/30/2025|||
PasswordAugust2025!
Izkata 8/31/2025||||
I keep a list of every time I change one of my work passwords with the date it would have expired, and it seems to fluctuate between 2.5 and 3.5 months with little consistency. Some of us used to have it locked so we didn't need to keep changing it, but they reenabled it some time ago and we got confirmation it was for some sort of external security requirements.
bongodongobob 8/31/2025|||
That was best practice until maybe 10 years ago. Point the people in charge of that to the NIST standards.
hdgvhicv 8/31/2025||
I hear cyber insurance companies (ransomware cover etc) still require outdated standards.
bongodongobob 8/31/2025||
People think cyber insurance requirements are hard rules, but they aren't. For the most part, you just need to show effort as it's completely impossible to be 100% compliant with all standards. For example, if you weren't rotating passwords but had proper MFA on your accounts, you're fine. Hell they even have conflicting standards sometimes. I've been through this multiple times when I worked at an MSP. For the most part, leadership just pushes to meet those standards to cya, which makes sense, but as long as you don't demonstrate gross negligence, they'll pay out.
idiotsecant 8/30/2025|||
You'd be surprised (or probably not) how much incredibly critical infrastructure has one ancient lynchpin PC doing some weird essential thing with a post-it note password like NameOfCompanyYear! where it's clear based on the year that the password hasn't been reset in a quarter century
IncRnd 8/30/2025|||
I think this is Ccjaas2004. I'm not 100% sure on the letters, but the year is easy to see. Hopefully, they've changed their password sometime in the past 21 years.
Retr0id 8/31/2025|||
It's ok, comes back clean on https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords, probably a few more years of life left in it!
austinjp 8/31/2025||
Ah thanks for that. I've been meaning to change my password for a while, looks like this is a strong choice then.
netsharc 8/30/2025||||
The image URL contains a parameter for size in pixel, and it's modifiable...
jchw 8/30/2025||||
That's true. Now it is most likely Ccjaas2025.
IncRnd 8/30/2025||
I think you're correct. They probably use it as the password "format" and haven't updated the post-it in order to trick anyone trying to steal the password! What could go wrong?
pmontra 8/30/2025||||
That's CCJ who married AAS in 2004. The password is still the same. But what's the username and what's the service?
IncRnd 8/30/2025||
Everybody logs-in with the same username into the only app. It's a kiosk computer without a surviving vendor to support it.
downrightmike 8/30/2025|||
My guess: Ccjacs 2004

Odds are it hasn't been updated for 20+ years

conorcleary 8/31/2025|||
Sorta how those Fox Raw livestreams on YouTube Live consistently show the inner workings of room-to-room shuffles and background whispers INSIDE the White House for the entire online world to dissect; it's definitely a security flaw but maybe not considered so by either Fox or the admin.
aaron695 8/30/2025|||
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alephnerd 8/30/2025||
@Dang can you please delete this comment

OP might not be wrong, but let's at least follow SOP for disclosing security failures (30 days pre-disclosure)

tomhow 8/31/2025||
We don't delete things unless the poster asks us to, and really I doubt this comment is creating any more risk than the picture itself on the WSJ.
alephnerd 8/31/2025||
Fair enough!
mesk 8/30/2025||
Spending nights figuring out which tariffs apply to which imported goods is surely a well spent time for any business owner.

Yeah, complicated, costly and always changing regulations are great for doing business... /s

vkou 8/30/2025|
Complicated, costly, and, as it turns out, illegal.
0cf8612b2e1e 8/30/2025|||
Let’s see if the Supreme Court agrees. Dear Leader must be able to do as he pleases.
EasyMark 8/31/2025||
I think they will. If they don't see this as gross breakage of the Constitution, then we're cooked no matter what. Clearly there is no "national emergency" like a war or economic depression, so he's breaking the law, either that or the law doesn't mean anything in a legal or common sense interpretation, just the imaginings of a tinpot orange dictator.
lazide 8/30/2025|||
We’ll see what the Supreme Court says, or what happens after he shuffles the deck a few times and yells at people more. :s

The underlying issue is complete chaos and confusion caused by this situation, not just any specific actual Tariff or not.

EasyMark 8/31/2025||
I think this won't be the last thing up Krasnov's (well the Project 2025 lawyers anyway) sleeve, I do think the SCOTUS will shoot down the tariffs though.
tonetheman 8/31/2025||
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idiomat9000 8/31/2025|
So rise up the prices to build a buffer war chest and strangle the economy
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