Posted by novateg 9/1/2025
- Use ChatGPT to get a list of landmarks in Gaza (historical, religious, medical, educational...)
- Find the wikipedia for a landmark (hit or miss), and copy the coordinates from the upper right hand corner
- Open "Google Earth" and paste the coordinates
- Use the "Show historical imagery" button to compare the 2023 image to the most recent
You'll see with your own eyes that the majority of all notable landmarks are just about destroyed, obviously targeted, and most of the google earth images are at least a year old.
Every single university ChatGPT lists as the top 5 in gaza are gone. And you can see from the historical images that these were very nice, well-groomed campuses. All of the greenery is gone. I had heard it beforehand, but this process of self-discovery with google earth hit a little bit different
'Raphael Lemkin, who coined the term, defined genocide as "the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group" by means such as "the disintegration of [its] political and social institutions, of [its] culture, language, national feelings, religion, and [its] economic existence".'
I cannot validate Israel's accusations, nor can I refute them. I just think it's important to mention them, because if they were true, it changes the interpretation of those facts considerably.
Unfortunately, confirmation of such things is practically impossible, in a self-fulfilling way. At least one side is willing to go to great lengths to deny their own violations. It's entirely possible that it's both.
But these are just a few of many. There have been more stories of children shot in the head or chest than I can count, and when the stories of snipers shooting children started to fizzle out, it was instead drones that did the shooting.
Together with the absolutely abhorrent things said by Israeli ministers and parliament members I have had no doubt that this has been a genocide for quite some time.
The hardest thing to accept has been the complicit western media. On one side they have reported about killings, but then promptly reported the Israeli spokesperson's response to the accusations despite them being caught lying over and over again. Like the massacre of the ambulance drivers that first was not communicated with cogat. When it was shown to be communicated to cogat, they did not have their emergency lights and sirens on. When films surfaced of them with their lights and sirens on it was going to be "investigated". That led nowhere, despite the soldiers actively trying to hide their tracks by burying all the victims - some with ther frikken hands tied.
This pattern has repeated itself over and over and over, yet news outlets like the BBC or CNN seem to say to themselves "ah, but this time they are telling the truth".
My own government have been more preoccupied with hiding it's own cowardice than with standing up for any kind of principles. They believe in nothing and I have nothing but contempt for them.
The only way that neither side can object is from international journalists. Guess what, they're not allowed in, lest the truth comes out.
People flag articles because they disagree with them, but also because they just think the discussion may descend into uninformative yelling. My point concerned the discussions that do appear, rather than which articles make it through unflagged, but even there it appears they don't support the narrative of "only good things about Israel appear in the media."
There's a relevant discussion in this recent post from a couple weeks ago:
Ask HN: Are we allowed to discuss Israel on HN? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44947788
"We want to give the topic of Israel and Gaza fair exposure, as it's obviously an important story and it would feel wrong to pretend it's not happening. At the same time, every time we have one of these stories on the front page, it turns in to a hellish flamewar, we have to spend all day moderating it..."
"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day"
"Nothing in nationalism is more significant or deeper than in the case when an enemy should tread Moslem land. Resisting and quelling the enemy becomes the individual duty of every Moslem [sic], male or female"
"Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight."
https://judaic.arizona.edu/sites/judaic.arizona.edu/files/20...
My take is that if a 100th of the war budget of Israel had been allocated to building schools and peace propaganda in palestine none of these decades of violence would have happened.
The only situation where bombs defeat a radicalized population is when they eradicate said population, and that sounds like a genocide to me. See Vietnam for a concrete example.
The UN has invested around a billion yearly in UNRWA, an agency whose half of budget (twice than what you propose) is supposed to educate Palestinian children for peace, mainly using funds contributed by the west.
UNRWA however has removed the holocaust from its human rights curriculum, has many Hamas members on its payroll, including some teachers who held hostages and regularly talks about Jihad and martyrdom in its curriculum.
So, yeah peace education? that works less when you are under a control of an islamist terror organization or ran by the local population that does not have fully bought to your peace idea yet
there are many interesting things in this article, but one of the most interesting it's that back than in unrwa schools was taught that all land was stolen and that they will liberate it by force.
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/archives/1961/10/208-4/132...
Perhaps this is no consolation to the victims, but the pendulum will continue to swing both ways as it always has. These monsters and their offspring will reap what they sowed. Humanity too will reap this reward.
- only 28% percent of members voted
- virtual discussion for resolution prior to voting was cancelled
- didn't allow dissenting opinions published on list serve
- The association has recently expanded its membership and there are little qualifications to become a member. The association had been mostly made up of scholars, but now includes figures like activists and artists,
- if somebody reads actual resolution, it reads like fine collection of tiktok videos.
[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o
[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-september-02-2025/#li...
And then you don’t make a distinction of which claim comes from where. The first claim comes from BBC, all the rest come from the second source. And best part? actual source for this is just one member saying stuff.
Still, I guess any source is better than Israel paid "There is no famine in Gaza" ads, that YouTube displays between investment scams.
https://genocidescholars.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IAGS...
it doesn't seem like something that people need to vote on, there's no weighing of evidence, it's on the level of a beginner Wikipedia page
Leaked ‘Gaza Riviera’ plan dismissed as ‘insane’ attempt to cover ethnic cleansing
Does anyone have some rational explanation?
There aren't many other rational explanations than that this is intended? Targeting journalists and then their rescue parties… oof
If this is true, think twice before using second hand devices. You might be mistaken for someone and unnecessarily targeted.
Note that you can’t basically avoid these companies. They codified using one of these companies in some US regulations. There are no alternatives between. Even though the companies themselves mention they are US based, most of critical technical stuff happens directly from Israel. There are basically no alternatives. They make rules, US follows.
Like I mentioned these security companies identify themselves as US based, but all technical work is based in Israel. Like front office is US.
All I am saying is I am suspecting information leaks out of offices in Israel. Again this is suspicion. One of the theories on why Israel has all the intel it needs. Some information access illegally using some backdoor. Backdoor could be as simple as direct access through an existing employee who might be linked to Israel military intel.
Starting point for your research into some US regulations for Defense contracts. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/10/15/2024-22...
Most stuff in Gaza that was fixed in place has been destroyed already.
- We don't really know the civilian casualty ratio for Gaza, but in seems somewhere in the normal range for urban wars (e.g. based on some losses Hamas admitted early in the conflict). The Iran strikes also harmed civilians, e.g. from a collapsed building in Nobonyad Square. If Israel had to repeat things 10,000x, we might have seen many collapsed buildings and it might start to resemble Gaza.
- Intelligence gathering methods that work for a few high-profile targets might not scale to a war against tens of thousands of combatants.
- Israel had the element of surprise against Iran, so the relevant targets were mostly not in bunkers/tunnels. They never did against Hamas.
And Soviet-stock bombs just aren't as precise and unguided rocket artillery even more so.
Yet after more than 3 years the number of civilian deaths and injured COMBINED just barely surpassed 50k recently.
Gazans have none of that - they’re trapped in a tiny territory, no states are taking significant numbers of Gazan refugees, and Hamas isn’t doing anything for civilian safety.
Any differences in Israeli vs Russian military tactics are rather secondary to these fundamental differences in civilian exposure.
On August 29, President of Mariupol Television, volunteer and civil activist Mykola Osychenko said to Dnipro TV that, according to the insider information, 87,000 deaths have been currently documented in morgues in Mariupol. Besides, 26,750 bodies are buried in mass graves, and many more are buried in the yards of the apartment blocks and private houses, or still under the rubble.[326]
In early November, Ukraine stated that at least 25,000 civilians had been killed in Mariupol.[46][47] In late December, based on the discovery of 10,300 new mass graves, the Associated Press estimated that the true death toll may be up to three times that figure.[327] The Uppsala Conflict Data Program estimates of the total death toll resulting from the siege range from 27,000 to 88,000 fatalities, most of them civilians.[49]
just to put things into perspective, this siege lasted less than 3 months
"According to a 2023 study by Human Rights Watch and two other organizations, there were at least 8,034 excess deaths in Mariupol between March 2022 and February 2023."
What would be even better, IMHO, is if Israel just stopped murdering Gazans.
One of those bunker busters will also do immense damage to surrounding structures. Gaza is one of the more densely populated areas on earth. You don't use 2000lb bombs without causing a lot of death and damage outside of the thing you a re targeting.
Not only that, every time hospital attacks were justified bt "Hamas underground conplexes" the evidence has been lacklustre or even completely absent. They demolished the only specialist cancer hospital in Gaza claiming it was used as a command central for Hamas. But still no evidence has been provided. The only thing we DO know is that the IDF had used the hospital as a base before denolishibg it.
While I don't doubt that there are examples of Hamas using civilian infrastructure (and this v.civilians) as shields, the Israeli usage of the term is a poor excuse for indescriminate bombing of apartment buildings, schools and hospitals.