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Posted by hn1986 9/2/2025

Twitter Shadow Bans Turkish Presidential Candidate(utkusen.substack.com)
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hashstring 9/2/2025|
Earlier this year: https://xcancel.com/netblocks/status/1902230361968427206
ChrisArchitect 9/2/2025||
> We don't have solid proof but

These shadowban stories are so often just hearsay and anecdotes from random users just feeding weird conspiracy vibes. Never go on a user saying they don't see something, there's too many variables in the mix from their usage patterns to sure, actual weird Elon/X algorithm tweaks at play.

BlueTemplar 9/3/2025|
That Xitter uses a complex, opaque algorithm, is why it should be banned in the first place.
leetharris 9/2/2025||
Misleading title. There is no proof at all, just speculation in this post.

From the last paragraph:

"We don’t have solid proof, but it strongly suggests that X is secretly shadow banning İmamoğlu. I don’t think Elon Musk will change this, but I’m writing this article to show the political power he holds."

DustinBrett 9/2/2025||
Proof has never stopped these people from making claims.
notenlish 9/3/2025||
There is proof, people have had their likes and retweets removed from the presidential candidates x account on multiple cases.

Also, most of the accounts tweets only have around 200k impressions, which is much lower than what the old x account(which was banned by the government) used to get.

Also another point, erdogans government is so intolerant of seeing the presidential candidate is that they've literally took down banners and posters that mention anything about him. It is "illegal" to have a banner ad that has the text "Ekrem İmamoğlu" or a photo showing İmamoğlu. Do you really think a government that goes to such extremes won't try and persuade Twitter to shadowban the presidential candidate's x account?

cheschire 9/2/2025||
I wondered early on if this X brand was going to take off. If maybe this was a genius move that I just didn't comprehend. And yet here we are, over 3 years later, still needing to caveat X with Twitter in common usage.
lysace 9/2/2025||
The problem here is primarily Erdogan and secondarily Musk.
raziel2p 9/2/2025|
The world might have people like Erdogan hold less powerful positions if large social platforms like Twitter didn't enable populism and suppression so easily.
ozgrakkurt 9/2/2025|||
Don’t agree with this. People really want to elect these politicians and they significantly represent the culture.

There can be an element of force to how they win but it is not the whole picture.

Have to accept that there are a lot of people with reasons to support these politicians

lysace 9/2/2025||||
Okay, half a point.

However, Twitter wasn't instrumental in getting Erdogan elected in 2003.

TV/Radio has been his thing:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-13746679

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/30/turkey-closes-...

mensetmanusman 9/3/2025|||
Poverty and lack of education empower folks like Erdogan.
xxray 9/2/2025||
It’s been long time since Twitter invited to settle in Turkey.. so guessing they getting on well on something obvious lol
notenlish 9/3/2025||
Nothing shocking, Musk doesn't stand for free speech, neither does Erdogan.
afroboy 9/3/2025|
Actually no president does.
stivatron 9/2/2025||
They have to follow the law of the country as tyrannical as it is like they did in Brazil. I hope one day they say fuck it.
foxglacier 9/2/2025||
What other moral standard is there besides laws? Is it that the laws of non-tyrannical countries should override those of tyrannical ones? How do you decide tyrannicalness? Or should internet companies decide what should be allowed in other countries despite those countries and their populations disagreeing? Great firewalls are the solution when nobody can agree with each other across borders but that's a pity.
tshaddox 9/2/2025|||
> Or should internet companies decide what should be allowed in other countries despite those countries and their populations disagreeing?

Internet companies (like all companies) can and indeed must choose how they behave. "We follow all laws inside each country" is one such choice, but it's not a special privileged choice that absolves the company of criticism for its behavior.

chuckadams 9/2/2025||||
> What other moral standard is there besides laws?

They took a pretty good stab at it in 1948: https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...

foxglacier 9/4/2025||
That's just a snapshot of popular western liberal morals of the time. They also took a pretty good stab at it in the Quran and Hadiths. Both moral standards are still very popular yet they contradict each other. Is Islam wrong or is western liberalism wrong? Should a country with one type of society coerce the other into compliance?
chuckadams 9/4/2025||
I'm afraid I don't have the answer as to the right balance of belief, force, and consensus it takes for a single society to get along, let alone multiple ones with each other. When I've got that sorted, I'll drop a tweet or something.

;)

ronsor 9/2/2025||||
> What other moral standard is there besides laws?

To be honest, you could restrict your compliance to only the laws of the country you're based in. American companies follow American laws, etc. Then move your company to where you most agree with the laws.

tracker1 9/2/2025||
And when your company has an office in that country, or prominent employees have family in that country?
ronsor 9/2/2025||
Perhaps do not have an office in that country. As for employees, that is their concern. Ideally the country is not willing to punish the family members of employees of companies that do not follow its draconian laws, but we know some do, such as China. Regardless, that is not a reason to capitulate; if you do so, you are effectively enabling state-backed extortion.
ahartmetz 9/2/2025|||
The uncorrupted law would be a good start. I'd bet 3:1 that what Erdogan is doing is illegal according to Turkish law as interpreted by a neutral and reasonable judge, but he's doing it anyway. Most countries' laws are much more agreeable than what the government actually does.
FredPret 9/2/2025|||
But then X just gets banned in said country
ronsor 9/2/2025|||
This is acceptable.
FredPret 9/2/2025|||
Now that country goes from having limited access to having none at all - seems worse.

If you don't like X (understandable) then it's much better to not visit it voluntarily than by a top-down block

pegasus 9/2/2025||
It's worse because it hands repressive authorities a much more powerful tool of mind control than what they had before. More powerful because targeted, hard to detect and even harder to prove.
ahartmetz 9/2/2025|||
For the world and Turkey, yes, for X, no.
NewJazz 9/2/2025|||
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_A...
utku1337 9/2/2025|||
shadow ban is not part of that
FirmwareBurner 9/2/2025||
It is when you get a letter from the government telling you to do that on whatever pretext which doesn't matter at that point because you either comply with the government requests, or have to leave the country otherwise they risk banning, fines or imprisonment/asset seizing.

Social media companies aren't gonna take a foreign government to court to arbitrate requests in order to protect a citizen since the law is always on the side of the government as they're the ones making it and enforcing it.

The EU and EU members also tell X to ban certain political topics they dislike under various pretexts, and X always complies without question. Like I was sending a friend from Germany a clip on X of Ukrainian recruiters kidnapping a guy off the street and throwing him in a van but surprise, my friend couldn't watch it as the video was banned in Germany but not in my EU country. What German law was it breaking? I don't know, it didn't say, but it doesn't really matter since any government makes up the speech rules as they go and uses selective enforcement on the basis of "for my friends anything, for my enemies the law" so every government practices its own version of domestic censorship in order to maintain its power.

warkdarrior 9/2/2025||
Turkey has a law requiring social networks to shadowban opposition-party candidates?
fourseventy 9/2/2025|||
this answers your question: https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
notenlish 9/3/2025|||
Not officially but they definitely requested twitter to shadowban the opposition candidate
flykespice 9/2/2025||
Mr freedom of speech strikes again!

I like how Elon is so eager to bend his knee to censor requests from authoritarian "friend" governments like India and Turkey

but when the request comes from a supposedly "left-leaning" judiciary like Brazil to suspend accounts that were posting misinformation, suddenly he stands on his principles and defy the orders.

yalogin 9/3/2025|
We all know is vehemently aligned on right wing ideology. So this is not surprising. What in surprised by though is why it’s relevant.
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