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Posted by meetpateltech 9/2/2025

Anthropic raises $13B Series F(www.anthropic.com)
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stephencoyner 9/2/2025|
Very interesting to see firms who already bet big on OpenAI (like Altimeter) on the list for this round. Anyone else remember when OpenAI told investors they couldn’t invest in competitors [1]?

[1]https://www.reuters.com/technology/openai-tells-investor-not...

tpurves 9/2/2025||
And 75% of that just gets shipped right over to nVidia as pure profit. The mind boggles at the macro-economic inefficiency of that situation.
Zigurd 9/2/2025||
Substitute fiber and routers for GPUs and this starts to look familiar.
Zigurd 9/2/2025||
I am old enough to have had the pleasure of Atiq Raza telling me the thing I was helping pitch couldn't be sold to Avaya (or was it Cisco?) in four months for $1 billion and so is not interesting, within the first four minutes of the meeting. Evidently he was seeing enough pitches for things he could sell at that price and in that time.

Now he's in AI investments.

Eiriksmal 9/3/2025||
https://www.sec.gov/enforcement-litigation/litigation-releas...

A fascinating investor. I just finished re-reading Microserfs. The buzzwords may have changed between 1993 and 2025, but the human behaviors certainly have not.

teepo 9/2/2025|||
Really good analogy: Bay Networks, Lucent, Nortel, and Cisco got beat up or destroyed on the equipment side. And then the long haul fiber companies never got ROI (but paved the way for broadband).
1oooqooq 9/2/2025|||
almost nobody remember the router craze.

people don't even remember the era before the current brands. like the time a bell offshoot almost crashed canada because they siphoned all the telephone money into bad routers.

month13 9/3/2025||
For those curious, I found this to be a very entertaining retelling of events from Nortel's persepective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6xwMIUPHss
hnav 9/2/2025||
Cisco?
me551ah 9/2/2025||
I don't get the sky high valuation of LLM companies. I mean I get that these guys need a lot of money for compute to train the next generation of models. But Distillation does make it easy for other providers to replicate gains made by these providers at a much lower cost.

On a long enough timeframe, the open source models will catch up to the proprietary models and inference providers will beat these proprietary companies on price.

nradov 9/2/2025|
The high valuations are essentially lottery tickets, not something based on any sort of calculation of discounted future cashflows. The bet is that the researchers working for some of those frontier AI model companies will come up with innovations that give them a sustainable competitive advantage that goes beyond just purchasing more compute and licensing more proprietary training data. Obviously they can't all succeed but perhaps one or two will get lucky, perhaps by figuring out how to greatly improve efficiency or something that isn't easily copied.
jdoliner 9/2/2025||
Every round Anthropic raises twists the knife deeper in SBF. If only he could have survived the downturn his Antropic investment alone probably could have papered over the other loses.
stravant 9/2/2025||
That assumes he would have stopped with the shenanigans, which is a pretty big if.
Symmetry 9/2/2025||
Proudly proclaiming on the Conversations With Tyler podcast that given a double or nothing bet with a 51% chance of success he'd keep playing forever.
arduanika 9/2/2025|||
It is probably just a coincidence, but it's darkly funny how well this lines up with the strategy described in a rather infamous LessWrong post. The title is "Solutions to the Altruist's burden: the Quantum Billionaire Trick", but you probably know it by a different name. The author is one Roko Mijic.
rsynnott 9/3/2025||
Probably not a total confidence; it’s EA/rationalist theory taken to ludicrous extremes in both cases.
rsynnott 9/3/2025||
*coincidence
arduanika 9/3/2025||
Yeah, not a total coincidence of thinking style. I just don't think it's likely that SBF was literally thinking about Roko's post as he did the crimes.
AnimalMuppet 9/2/2025||||
Not forever. He'd have nothing soon enough.
twostorytower 9/2/2025|||
Isn't that just the right thing to do, statistically? Vegas has been operating profitably this way for decades.
roncesvalles 9/2/2025|||
It's not the same due to the Law of Large Numbers. The risk involved in many small 51% bets is very different from the risk in a single all-or-nothing 51% bet.
lelanthran 9/3/2025||
> The risk involved in many small 51% bets is very different from the risk in a single all-or-nothing 51% bet.

Right, but parent didn't say anything about an all-in bet, just double-or-nothing on a positive EV bet.

Frankly, I'd repeatedly bet on a positive EV bet too; it's a guaranteed win if you're allowed to go on for as long as you want to.

FergusArgyll 9/2/2025|||
The context was double or nothing the entire human population of the universe.
ramesh31 9/2/2025|||
>"Every round Anthropic raises twists the knife deeper in SBF. If only he could have survived the downturn his Antropic investment alone probably could have papered over the other loses."

Things working out in the end doesn't make what he did not a crime at the time. He was a common paper hanger, albeit with billions instead.

yunwal 9/2/2025||
> Things working out in the end doesn't make what he did not a crime at the time

Morally speaking, no. Practically speaking, it does. He would not have seen jail time.

ramesh31 9/2/2025|||
>Morally speaking, no. Practically speaking, it does. He would not have seen jail time.

It's literally exactly what Shkreli got 7 years for, even after repaying investors. If you defraud money from someone and put it back before they find out, it's still a crime. Fraud is about intent more than anything else, and they proved it for SBF.

yunwal 9/2/2025||
Right, but that’s because Shkreli openly admitted to it on the internet
Nextgrid 9/2/2025|||
Practically speaking I think everyone involved would've had a good incentive to brush it off behind closed doors and not rock the boat. Crypto is entirely based on vibes (there are very few - if any - legitimate applications) and rocking the boat would cause losses across the entire industry.
sidewndr46 9/2/2025|||
I'm pretty sure giving yourself a 1 billion dollar loan had something to do with his downfall. Not a failure to 'survive the downturn'.
bambax 9/2/2025|||
Probably would have made his crimes less visible, but not less criminal.
toomuchtodo 9/2/2025|||
Like Martin Shkreli, who made his investors whole with his gambling, but still went to jail.
hnav 9/2/2025||
He went to jail because his autism wouldn't allow him to be duplicitous like a CEO doing evil things has to be and he attracted too much negative attention.
toomuchtodo 9/2/2025||
Also true.
bpodgursky 9/2/2025||||
Yes but investors being whole and profitable would almost certainly have not resulted in jail time. He probably would have even had enough unquestionably personal returns to pay back any misappropriated funds in a negotiated settlement, if they even come to light at all.
brandall10 9/2/2025|||
Let's not pretend there aren't multitudes out there doing similar things who never get caught. SBF was just more egregious and untimely w/ his actions.
loeg 9/2/2025|||
There are not.
mrtesthah 9/2/2025||||
If you know of other SBFs, please name them so that we can call for their investigation and prosecution.
llamasushi 9/2/2025|||
One doesn't need to go more than 2 feet into the mire of meme coins before finding the detritus of 6000000 rug pulls. Just that these guys never get prosecuted.
HaZeust 9/2/2025||
Yeah, but they're not playing with institutional money. They're not messing with people that have world-leaders on speed dial. Crypto gets away with what it does because when you enter an explicitly laissez-faire side of life, expect people to act laissez-faire. The rest is fraud/laundering/illicit activity tracking, which is why KYC requirements were passed right on schedule.
fuckaj 9/3/2025|||
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m101 9/2/2025|||
A joke for finance types I was told a while back:

"what do you call a rouge trader that makes money?"

"Managing director"

If someone makes money on time, everything is forgiven. Money blinds us.

willhslade 9/2/2025||
Rogue
FinnLobsien 9/2/2025|||
Always makes you wonder how many companies that are successes today could’ve had their SBF moment, but market conditions kept them afloat
adamgordonbell 9/2/2025|||
> In the early days of FedEx, Smith had to go to great lengths to keep the company afloat. In one instance, after a crucial business loan was denied, he took the company's last $5,000 to Las Vegas and won $27,000 gambling on blackjack to cover the company's $24,000 fuel bill.

Some who take on unreasonable risk will be among the most successful people alive. Most will lose eventually, long before you hear about them if they keep too many taking crazy risks.

Who is a great genius, and is who is just winning at "The Martingale entrepreneurial strategy"?

matheist 9/2/2025|||
You know, it only just now occurs to me to wonder if the blackjack story is the public sanitized version of "how I got $24k because I'm not allowed to tell you the real version"
askafriend 9/2/2025|||
Great thought, that seems very likely since so many "founder stories" are heavily spun tales.
Analemma_ 9/2/2025|||
Las Vegas still had deep mafia ties in the 1970s so that’s very possible.
FireBeyond 9/2/2025|||
What this version of the FedEx story doesn't mention is that Fred was already stiffing his pilots on their salaries. Taking the last money in the company and deciding that the best use for it was the blackjack table in Vegas and not paying his employees ... worked well, but it was a gamble, let's be clear, not a calculated decision - like you say, not the decision of a "great genius". It goes a different way, and you have "FedEx founder decides to go gambling, leaving his employees without paychecks".
jjmarr 9/2/2025||
If your marginal utility of money increases with more, it's a rational decision to go to a casino and gamble.
mothballed 9/2/2025||
The casino is an extremely rational savings model if you expected to constantly be robbed and want to convert small (and thus not worth robbing) income streams into occasionally large sums of money to be spent rapidly. I.e. say you are a north korean worker in China/Russia and you occasionally get small change to spend on cigarettes, you could gamble it every 'paycheck' and eventually buy a phone to escape with the winnings.

Filipinos have a more predictable low-loss version of this call Paluwagan.

barchar 9/3/2025||
It can also be a way to evade capital controls. You know you'll lose, but otoh you also know you'll probably not lose _everything_ and you buy in with RMB and cash out in HKD.
hn_throwaway_99 9/2/2025||||
I think it's really objectionable to refer to this as an "SBF moment".

It's not just about surviving a downtown and unforseen circumstances with some luck (like the sibling talking about FedEx barely making it). Tesla, for example, was famously extremely close to bankruptcy.

But SBF got into the situation he was in due to his egregious fraud. The accounting at FTX was a criminal joke, with multiple sets of books, bypassable controls, outright fake numbers. My guess is that if SBF had survived that particular BTC downturn that his extreme hubris and willingness to commit fraud would have eventually done him in - downturns always happen at some point, and his brazenness in his criminal enterprise showed no signs of learning from mistakes.

Sure, all hugely successful companies have a ton of luck involved. But I think it's a mistake to pretend that SBF was just done in by bad timing, or that all companies do what he did. His empire collapse was pretty inevitable IMO if you look at what a clown show FTX was under the covers.

llamasushi 9/2/2025|||
Lol, tether, bitfinex are examples that came to mind. A lot of the OG crypto instutions got to where they are by "faking it till they made it" long enough to actually make it.

Does no one still remember that tether continually stalled audits FOR YEARS in the face of increasing scrutiny?

arduanika 9/2/2025||||
Correct. Companies go bust all the time, for market timing reasons that are mostly out of their control. But going bust is different from going bust and stealing billions.

Whether by negligence or intent, FTX was arranged so that they couldn't go bust without stealing.

FinnLobsien 9/2/2025|||
But that’s precisely what I mean. How many companies had similarly sketchy situations, cleaned up their act and nobody ever noticed?

That number isn’t 0

zmmmmm 9/2/2025|||
It's a slightly different context, but Apple probably would have gone out of business if Microsoft hadn't needed them so badly to exist due to antitrust. Hard to imagine how different the world would have been now if that had happened.
xpe 9/2/2025|||
Does someone care about this alternative speculative history? Why? If there was something called the sunk death fallacy, I would invoke it.
paulpauper 9/2/2025|||
yeah, had CZ not made those tweets... He only had to weather another 2 months of the BTC bear market. BTC began to rebound in Jan 2023. Of course hindsight is 20-202
arduanika 9/2/2025||
CZ was a minor factor. Someone internal leaked the balance sheet.

Hindsight says, don't do fraud.

Nextgrid 9/2/2025|||
Fraud is only called fraud if you get caught and defraud the wrong people. Corporation-on-consumer fraud is generally OK and a lot of businesses we consider "legitimate" do it as standard practice. Fraud against investors and "the rich" can still be papered over and forgotten if everyone ends up richer in the end. SBF just got unlucky.
Aeolun 9/2/2025|||
Or hide it better?
cellis 9/2/2025|||
He'll get a pardon next election cycle.
stefan_ 9/2/2025|||
What if we put criminals into prison because they committed crimes, regardless of them making their victims "whole" (it would not happen anyway).
LarsDu88 9/2/2025||
So the difference between criminal fraud, and precient genius investor is a difference of a year or so.

We should all try to remember this the next time we vote to cut taxes on billionaires.

arduanika 9/2/2025||
That's a pretty distorted view, and it's probably what people tell themselves right when they're about to do fraud.
AnimalMuppet 9/2/2025||
One of my rules of thumb: When money is growing on trees, pick it.

That applies to individuals, but it probably also applies to companies. We're in an AI boom? Raise some money while it's easy.

FergusArgyll 9/2/2025|
IIRC Matt Levine says: when there is a tech bubble, the correct trade is not to short the nasdaq, it's to start a company and ask Masayoshi Son for an investment
VirgilShelton 9/2/2025||
My contrarian take on the astronomical costs need to scale LLM infrastructure is that since it does cost so much, innovation at the grid and power plant / renewables will also see massive gains and ultimately save our planet.
bobbiechen 9/2/2025||
Did anyone else get offers to join single-purpose ventures (SPVs) to invest in this Anthropic round?

I got the impression that some people were reselling access and adding layers of fees to profit from the hype.

manveerc 9/2/2025||
Many SPVs were available for recent funding rounds, but my biggest gripe was the excessive fees layered on top of them.

More importantly, we should ask who will be left holding the bag when this bubble bursts. For now, investors are getting their money back through acquisitions. Founders with desirable, traditional credentials are doing well, as are early employees at large AI startups who are cashing out on the secondary market. It appears the late-stage employees will be the ones who lose the most.

htrp 9/3/2025||
Yes... tons
dkobia 9/2/2025||
AI investment is headed toward 2% of the US GDP, getting close to the Apollo program and 10 times the manhattan project. Almost 15% of the US stock market is tied up in these investments so most of us have skin in this game whether we like it or not, for better or worse.
tonymet 9/2/2025|
i guess emissions, climate concerns , economics are all just out the window here?

My feeble uncle isn't allowed to buy a single lightbulb in his state yet , but burning terawatts for useless porn generators is where we are investing our engineering efforts.

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