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It's the EU AI act. I've tried their cute little app a week ago, designed to let you know if you comply, what you need to report and so on. I got a basically yes, but likely no, still have to register to bla-bla and announce yak-yak and do the dooby-doo, after selecting SME - open source - research - no client facing anything.
It was a mess when they proposed it, it was said to be better while they were working on it, turns out to be as unclear and as bureaucratic now that it's out.
There's nothing special about EU regulations vis-a-vis other laws. China, Russia and the US also have laws, many of which are also perceived as overly bureaucratic.
Russia is currently struggling to make inroads on invading its relatively small neighbor, so I really doubt it would be able to make a bunch of nuclear powers who have a nuclear alliance its "vassal"
I understand that Russia's not fighting just Ukraine but rather Ukraine with massive US and EU assistance but my point still stands.
Ukraine doesn't have that "benefit".
Also the EU pays for countries like Turkey and Libya to prevent refugee ships from coming to their continent. If that means sinking those ships with people on them, well...
OK but Ukraine isn't trying to invade a small country next door and claim a global superpower status.
It's expected they would struggle against a much larger neighbor invading them.
Russia is struggling where nobody expected it to struggle.
That's why democracies are so good. Because it's hard to do too stupid things in them persistently.
In general, it is hard to compare the US and the EU; we got a head start while the rest of the world was rebuilding itself from WW2. That started up some feedback loops. We can mess up and siphon too much off a loop, destroying it, and still be ahead. They can be setting up loops without benefitting from them yet.
But say that you were right, and you have to choose between privacy and relevance, if you choose privacy, then once you are entirely economically dependent on Russia (Europe is still paying more in energy money to Russia than in aid to Ukraine) and China — when Europe is a vassal — it won't be able to make its own laws anymore.
I'd rather be free and my data safe than be an economic world leader.
Today, we have fully automated the methods from this manual in the form of LLM Chatbots, which we have for some reason deployed against ourselves.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Sabotage_Field_Manual
Will take them a while to get out from under the US umbrella. But acknowledging the problem is the first step.
Spending on defense is not the same as. Norway is spending more on everything all the time and getting worse outcomes all the time. We spend more on police than ever, even per capita, and crime is up, we spend more on military than ever, and our actual metrics are down. I think with most of Europe the defense spending is the same, I hope I'm wrong, but if you up regulation then you have to spend more to get the same results, and Europe has runaway regulation in addition to people who try to hijack institutions for other purposes.
Overconfidence bias is real.
Knowing your circle of competence is a gift.
Personally I'm not too worried anyone is going to become a global superpower from generative AI slop.
I got the same impression seeing Trump meet Putin. The US is a vassal state of Russia.
Start on the right, and click through the options. At the end you'll get a sort of assessment of what you need to do.
I live in Europe, I don't want Europe to become a vassal of China/Russia - but if something drastically does not change it will. Russia is Europe's Carthage, Russia must fall. There is no future with a Russia as it is today and a Europe as it is today in it, not because of Europe, but because of Russia. If Europe does not eliminate Russia, Russia will eliminate Europe. I have no doubts about this.
But as things stand, there just seems no way in which we practically can counter Russia at all. If Europe had determination, it would have sent Troops into Ukraine and created a no-fly zone — it should do that, but here we are.
When it's getting to a point where far-right leaders appear to care more about the prosperity of Russia than their own nation or their allies... yeah it's probably misinformation. At best. At worst, it's targeted propaganda - lots of bots online!
Ukraine will all the backing of Europe is making no progress, if this was true, Russia would be expelled from Ukraine tomorrow, as it should be. Ukraine is an embarrassment for Europe, it strongly suggests that Europe is basically meaningless on the global stage.
And the most embarrassing of all is, Europe is still buying gas from Russia.
"suggests that Europe is basically meaningless on the global stage" ... it will take many years of deep military investment to provide a proper counter to Russian aggression. As of right now, Europe has been shown to be in a very weak and exposed position. This was obvious years ago, and should not be a surprise today. This is true of most of the NATO member states.
That said, simply because Ukraine is unable to expel Russia does not mean that it is a grand threat to Europe proper. Perhaps some eastern countries face some limited conflict, but I'm not convinced by this "domino theory" that Russia would engage in a WWII style invasion of Poland, Finland, etc.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictions_on_geographic_dat...
[2] https://cset.georgetown.edu/publication/south-korea-ai-law-2...
The UK has their chat thing where if you provide chat (even with bots!) you have to basically be a megacorp to afford the guardrails they think "the kids" need. It's not clear if open source models fall into that, but who's gonna read 300+ pages of insanity to make sure?
A more plausible explanation is the requirements and obligations of those markets are ambiguous or open-ended in such a way that they cannot be meaningfully limited by a license, per the lawyers they retain to create things like licenses. Lawyers don’t like vague and uncertain risk, so they advised the company to reduce their risk exposure by opting out of those markets.
Since the law is very well developed in the EU, I think the people who wrote the license were just lazy.
So, they reduced their liability by prohibiting usage of the model to show those jurisdictions' decision makers they were complying. I considered doing the same thing for EU. Although, I also considered one mught partner with an EU company if they are willing to make models legal in their jurisdiction. Just as a gift to Europeans mainly but maybe also a profit-sharing agreement.
Is this the new 'please like and subscribe/feed us your info' method?
I will have to try this, I have a super edge use case: incomplete bathymetric depth map (lidar boat could not access some areas), coincidentally the most interesting areas are not in the data. My second piece of data is from flyover video (areas of interest where water is also clear enough to see the bottom). With enough video I can mostly remove the water-borne artifacts (ripples, reflections etc) and enhance the river bottom imagery enough to attempt photogrammetric reconstruction. The bottleneck here is that it takes multiple angles to do that, and the visibility through water is highly dependent on the angle of sunlight vs angle of camera.
Instead of doing multiple flyovers at different times of day to try and get enough angles for a mesh reconstruction, maybe this can do it relatively well from one angle!
I can guesstimate the shape of the bottom by the behaviour of the flow, and hand-model the missing parts of the mesh. I thought outsourcing that to a generative model would be a nice shortcut -- and who knows, likely it'll synthesize it more true-to-nature than I would.
But someone could possibly extend the work so it was a few photos rather than one or many. The way you ask the question makes it sound like you think it was a trivial detail they just forgot about.
https://blog.emojipedia.org/why-does-the-chart-increasing-em...
It's interesting to me that this breaks convention with the visual spectrum.
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red ~700nm
green ~550nm
yellow ~580nm
Weird that they aren't in order.
Well, 30 years later, you can generate a video from a photograph.
You can’t make up information but you can use knowledge of the subject to accurately fill things in and other assumptions to plausibly fill things in.
From a photo of someone's face and shoulders, a child can add "information" by extending it to a stick-figure body with crayons. However it's not information from the original event that was recorded.
Then there's the difference between strictly capable versus permissible or wise. A researcher "can't" make up data, a journalist "can't" invent quotes, a US President "can't" declare himself dictator, etc.
I can literally walk in to scenes I shot on my Nikon D70 in 2007 and they, and the people, look real.
Although, I can think of some old family photos where half the people in them are dead by now (nothing catastrophic, just time). I wonder how it would feel to walk around in that sort of photo.
Though, a problem is that if the generated video itself has inconsistent information, e.g., the object changes color between frames, then your point cloud would just be "consistently wrong". In practice this will lead to some blurry artifacts because you blend different inconsistent colors together. So when you turn around you will still see the same thing, but that thing is uglier and blurrier because it blends between inconsistent coloring.
It will also be difficult to put a virtual object into the generated scene, because you don't have the lighting information and the virtual object can't blend its color with the environment well.
Overall cool idea but obviously more interesting problems to be solved!
Also, there is no training data, which would be the "preferred form" of modification.
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Or, those countries are trying to regulate AI.
Hard to feel bad for EU/UK. They tried their best to remain relevant, but lost in the end (talent, economy, civil rights).
We didn't regulate adtech and now we're stuck with pervasive tracking that's hurting society and consumer privacy. Better to be more cautious with AI too so we can prevent negative societal effects rather than trying to roll them back when billions of euros are already at play, and thus the corporate lobby and interests in keeping things as they are.
We didn't regulate social media algorithms which started optimising for hate (as it's the best means of "engagement") and it led to polarisation in society, the worst effects of which can be seen in the US itself. The country is tearing itself apart. And we see the effects in Europe too. Again, something we should have nipped in the bud.
And the problem isn't mainly the tech. It's the perverse business models behind it, which don't care about societal diruption. That's pretty hard to predict, hence the caution.
> Also, there is no training data, which would be the "preferred form" of modification.
This is not open source because the license is not open source. The second line is not correct, tho. "Preferred form" of modification are weights, not data. Data is how you modify those weights.
Isn't fine-tuning a heck of a lot cheaper?
Just training on new data moves a model away from its previous behavior, to an unpredictably degree.
You can’t even reliably test for the change without the original data.
I think at this point, open source is practically shorthand for weights available
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"Do as I say, not as I do."
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This, and other clauses, effectively prohibit the use of this system within any jurisdiction.
What a ridiculous policy.
Ideally based on FOSS models.
If you actually want something consistent you should really generate images one by one and provide extensive description of what you expect to see on each frame
And if you want to make something like animation it's only really possible if you basically generate thousand of "garbage" images and then edit together what fits.
I wonder if you could loop back the last frame of each video to extend the generated world further. Creating a kind of AI fever dream
I also wouldn't be surprised if their Street View cars / people record video instead of stills these days. Assuming they started capturing stuff in 2007 (and it was probably a lot earlier), storage technology has improved at least tenfold in terms of storage (probably more), video processing too.