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Posted by jger15 9/4/2025

Almost anything you give sustained attention to will begin to loop on itself(www.henrikkarlsson.xyz)
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joe_the_user 9/4/2025|
It's sort of an interesting but the use of the term attention seems "over determined" (used to mean several not identical things) and "looping" is fuzzily defined (the main clue of seems analogy with "good sex", sex where you're engaging your entire body and being - a subject that apparently gets people's interest, yeah).

I think there's a standard and clearer explanation of what the author describes. A rich, satisfying experience comes from a melding of "goal focus" and expanded awareness. IE, Pleasure in some complex process involves reaching for a set "foreground" goal while keeping an awareness of entire "background" situation that prevents from fixating on the immediate goal. You can qualities of rhythm, self-similarity and etc into this "recipe" to describe rich satisfying experiences of multiple sorts (Art, sex, dance, conversation, [insert your favorite thing]).

The book Flow by Mihaly Csikszentmihaly goes into this stuff in long but still fuzzy detail.

anon84873628 9/5/2025|
The article doesn't attempt to define any terms or reference the actual literature, just throws random "good sounding" crap together as if it's valid. I mean they unironically use the phrase "deeply cohere their attentional field." Seriously? Lmao.
ozim 9/5/2025||
Missed solving of riddles. Also why programming is fun as you try to solve the problem wrap your head around it immerse yourself in problem space and at the end you get to solution that usually is a pleasant sensation.
westurner 9/4/2025||
Given that the heart is generator which drives electrovolt oscillations through the nervous system and the fat of the brain, and that the extracerebral field created by the electrovolt potentials in the tissues of the brain is nonlinearly related to the electrical activations through the axons and dendrites in the tissues of the brain,

Are there electrical cycles in the brain (and thus feedback and probably spiking) or does the charge distribute through the brain in a DAG directed acyclic graph?

Are there stable neural correlates to ear worm or rumination or flow states, for example?

Is sustained charge necessary for data persistence in the brain, as it is for RAM?

westurner 9/4/2025|
Paraphrasing the model's reply to force myself to learn:

The brain is observed to be cyclical with feedback cycles. (Biological neural networks thus cannot be sufficiently modeled with DAGs. RNN Recurrent Neural Networks do model cycles.)

The brain is actually its own generator.

The oscillations of the brain are measurable with e.g. EEG; and are distinct from the heart, which is measurable or imaged with ECG, for example.

Long term memory depends upon synaptic plasticity, which does not require continued electrical charge, though short term memory does depend upon neuronal oscillations which depend upon continued electrical charge.

The DMN Default Mode Network in the brain is observed to be less active in so-called flow states; and more active during daydreaming, ear worm, rumination, and self-reflection. The DMN is probably feed-forward too.

mallowdram 9/4/2025||
Attention probably does not exist as a reduction. Noticing does and has different regularities from the intent we enforce into attention.

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10....

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3279725/

There are others.

bzmrgonz 9/4/2025||
Looks like we need to come up with some sort of attention wasabi in our ultra modern short-video world. Any Psy professionals in our midst? What would a good attention wasabi look like??
hinkley 9/4/2025||
> When the music stopped, I barely knew where I was.

I can’t tell if Henrik is okay and just a very vivid writer, or… not.

popalchemist 9/4/2025||
This is a very valuable insight, and it is at the core of the ancient greek way of looking at time as either horizontal (chronos, our normal sense of time moving forward on an X axis, moment by monent), or vertical (kairos, wherein transcendent meaning arises).
darkerside 9/5/2025||
This is the same mechanism behind addiction (IMO, not a psychiatrist). The sustained attention becomes a feedback loop death spiral. Certainly the case for "light" addictions like caffeine, smoking, gambling, etc.
0x10ca1h0st 9/5/2025|
I notice this on IG. Spend enough time on IG, and you have pretty much seen all the advertised memes, etc. Do this over years, and it just starts to loop on itself, the same memes, the same attempt at reactions, etc.
semiinfinitely 9/5/2025|
im sorry for your loss
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