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Posted by bookofjoe 9/4/2025

WiFi signals can measure heart rate(news.ucsc.edu)
467 points | 262 commentspage 2
not_that_d 9/5/2025|
This is the study https://bpb-us-e1.wpmucdn.com/sites.ucsc.edu/dist/d/1595/fil...
PranayKo 9/5/2025||
Hey guys I am the high schooler who developed this let me know if you got any questions I'd be happy to answer them
mmohtasim 9/5/2025||
1. The collected data set has one person in between receiver and transmitter. Will the same model work if there is multiple people between receiver and transmitter?

2. If anyone has a heart rate outside the range of 48-130? can this model detect that heart rate?

PranayKo 9/6/2025||
1. We are currently working on multi person, this iteration doesn't support it. 2. The range was just what we had in this dataset, if we exposed the algorithm to a broader range, it would work for that too.
linvs 9/5/2025|||
Awesome job!

A couple questions:

- How was the training/testing data split? Was it split window-wise or participant-wise?

- How does the system perform at elevated heart rates? Seems like it was mostly tested at resting/normal heart rates

PranayKo 9/6/2025||
1. in this iteration we used a 64% training 16% validation 20% testing split. In our current work we are testing with 10 fold / leave a subject out to get better analysis. 2. the esp dataset had heart rate up to 130 which is relatively high, and the raspberry pi data had people running in place etc... where the heart rate is higher
notpushkin 9/5/2025||
Congrats, very impressive!

The linked article is a bit light on actual details – could you share the paper/preprint maybe?

PranayKo 9/5/2025||
Thanks!

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/11096342

That’s the official paper link. Sorry it’s not open access.

notpushkin 9/5/2025||
Too bad :( Though I’ve just found a PDF here in the open: https://news.ucsc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Pulse_Fi_sh...
PranayKo 9/5/2025||
Oh great- I forgot we had the open pdf posted somewhere
stared 9/5/2025||
There is a wonderful channel "Quantified Scientist" (https://www.robterhorst.com/, mostly YT content) with benchmarks of smartwatches and trackers against EEG and more profesional heart monitors. It would be interesting if he could benchmark WiFi as well.

AS, in short, it is easy to measure pulse or sleep somehow. It is hard to measure it well consistently (pulse when someone is running, biking or weightlifting, sleep when people sleep with others, move, etc - or lay sleepless).

JLCarveth 9/4/2025||
Apparently wifi can also see through walls:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37469920 (from the same org)

bangaladore 9/4/2025|
ucs(c) vs ucs(b) FYI
JLCarveth 9/4/2025||
Close enough
bee_rider 9/4/2025||
I guess it is good to be aware of what’s possible. But all this stuff about using WiFi to measure things about people—it’s a bit creepy, right? I mean, to state the obvious, we (as a society) have got a bunch of poorly patched or corporate controlled WiFi routers attached to the network. What a surveillance catastrophe waiting to happen.

I mean, heart rate? Do we have a giant network that can tell where everybody is and whether they are having a strong emotional response to anything?

transpute 9/4/2025||
> we (as a society) have got a bunch of poorly patched or corporate controlled WiFi routers

Mobile phone spyware can attack poorly patched or corporate controlled WiFi radio basebands, for 3D imaging of human user behavior.

> heart rate

Laptop demo (2022), https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/research/respiration... | https://community.intel.com/t5/Blogs/Tech-Innovation/Client/...

  Intel Labs introduces.. respiration sensing via Wi-Fi.
devmor 9/4/2025|||
You are not exaggerating to be weirded out by this. It’s already being used to monitor people in their homes by law enforcement.
eth0up 9/5/2025||
Your comment should not be gray, as you've stated a rarely known fact. I used to have an old brochure with the exact model number of the device you refer to. And it's been around for well over a decade.

I'll try to find the model to rescue your post. People can be so fucking unreasonable here it makes me sad.

But I know exactly what you're referring to.

Note: it's also worth considering its applications in parallel construction and that it's indeed so rarely known, that it doesn't require a warrant.

Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range-R

Edit II: they were, at one time around 2011 definitely having a lot of fun with these devices in my town here in Florida.

Edit III: also of interest, https://camero-tech.com/

Edit IV: https://www.policemag.com/technology/article/15541542/first-... - Detex Pro, by MaXentric

devmor 9/5/2025||
Thank you! I wanted to provide a source, but I have literally only seen it in action at a trade show, and could not remember what it was actually called.
cyanydeez 9/4/2025||
You mean the Matrix wasn't a technical blueprint for humanity.

Am so confused.

linvs 9/5/2025||
As someone that works closely with WiFi data and given their very low error (< 0.5 BMP MAE) I'd love to see them address a few key points:

- Whether train/test splits were participant-wise to avoid data leakage.

- How the system performs at elevated or highly variable heart rates.

- Results from "placebo" or empty-room baselines to rule out false positives, typically done with bags of rice/water (used to simulate mass).

PranayKo 9/6/2025|
1. the train test in here was leaky, but in our current iteration of the work we do 10 fold train / test without leakage 2. There was no different in performance at higher HR values, the rpi data contained people running in place and our performance on that was as good as laying down 3. a simple presence detection model would solve that and also the algorithm already covers this
0xFEE1DEAD 9/4/2025||
> Now, the researchers are working on further research to extend their technique to detect breathing [...]

Impressive from a technical standpoint, but super scary from a privacy standpoint. Surely this must allow them to detect and differentiate between plosives, which is probably enough to infer what's being talked about.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 9/5/2025|
I'll just quit breathin
PaulHoule 9/5/2025||
See

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-77683-1

That kind of module can be really cheap

https://www.waveshare.com/hmmd-mmwave-sensor.htm

and is starting to replace Passive IR sensors

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_infrared_sensor

I can imagine one of these on the ceiling above your bed being an ideal sleep monitoring system.

mr7uca 9/5/2025||
Nobody:

Google: serves you Aspirin ads when they notice you are having a heart attack

akimbostrawman 9/5/2025|
At least it's not tomb stones...
troysk 9/4/2025|
I do it using MMWave sensor, 60Ghz one. Want to have more of them but installation is a pain as these need to be mounted on ceiling so WiFi based sensor would be awesome!
cweagans 9/4/2025||
Do you have a writeup about this somewhere? I'd love to know more.
transpute 9/4/2025|||
"Low cost mmWave 60GHz radar sensor for advanced sensing" (2025), 50 comments, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44665982

"Inside a $1 radar motion sensor" (2024), 100 comments, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40834349

"mmWave radar, you won't see it coming" (2022), 180 comments, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30172647

"What Is mmWave Radar?: Everything You Need to Know About FMCW" (2022), 30 comments, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35312351

troysk 9/6/2025||||
Unfortunately no. But fortunately, it isn't something new I have built. I use a Seed Studio sensor MR60BHA2 which has an ESP32 which sends the data to Home Assistant through ESPHome. Once it is in Home Assistant you can do automations and notifications. I mostly use it for elderly care. I have another DFRobot C1001 sensor but waiting for ESPHome to add support for it. It has fall detection also which is why I am planning to replace it. They are fairly accurate; ~90%; has been my experience. They work better when mounted on ceiling and have a cone like coverage.
yurishimo 9/4/2025|||
You can buy them on Aliexpress for $5. YouTube and a cursory google search will give you many many options to choose from for examples and tutorials.
NoiseBert69 9/4/2025|||
There are a lot of radar modules out there in the wild.

But not all of them are good for doing stuff like this.

You need full raw I/Q and DAC access to sweep the frequency.

troysk 9/6/2025|||
don't get the $5 ones, they are probably just presence detector or at best distance detector and probably work on 24Ghz. Get the 60Ghz for breathing, heart rate, posture etc.
mhuffman 9/4/2025||
Tell more about your setup!
NoiseBert69 9/4/2025|||
Infineon 60GHz IoT FMCW radar modules have all datasheets published. That's super rare for Infineon - usually they are the worst NDA-hell on earth.

Chinese vendors sell uC+Radar-Module units on Aliexpress for around ~20-30€. They Infineon-based boards are super easy to spot by looking at the Antenna-on-Chip layout.

You can cut off their head (microcontroller) and directly attach your favorite uC onto the SPI bus to talk to them. Or use the existing one.. not overly complicated to reverse engineer the schematic.

Example: MicRadar RA60ATR2

troysk 9/6/2025|||
posted some details at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45150761. happy to answer any additional queries you may have.
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