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Posted by mustaphah 7 days ago

AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time(gabrielweinberg.com)
599 points | 221 commentspage 3
gblargg 6 days ago|
As long as the first ones to be surveilled are the companies that make it (including their employees) and all politicians who vote for it. We need to be able to access all the data the AI gathers from these groups.
catigula 7 days ago||
I think this type of AI doomsday hypothesis rubs me the wrong way because it's almost quaint.

Merely being surveilled and marketed at is a fairly pedestrian application from the rolodex of AI related epistemic horrors.

dyauspitr 7 days ago||
You through enough identifiers into the mix and even low level employees will be able to get a summary of your entire past in seconds. It’s a terrifying world and I feel bad for gen z and beyond.
metalman 6 days ago||
Lets bring on the Pan Opticapocolypse, (heh ,heh) dispense with the could's ,should's, ethafuckicks,and get it over with, now
rsyring 7 days ago||
IMO: make all the laws you want. They generally won't be enforced and, if they are, it will take 5-10 years to make it's way through the courts. At best, the fines will be huge and yet account for maybe 10% of the revenue generated by violating the law.

The incentives are all wrong.

I'm fundamentally a capitalist because I don't know another system that will work better. But, there really is just too much concentrated wealth in these orgs.

Our legal and cultural constructs are not designed in a way that such disparity can be put in check. The populace responds by wanting ever more powerful leaders to "make things right" and you get someone like Trump at best and it goes downhill from there.

Make the laws, it will help, a little, maybe.

But I think something more profound needs to happen for these things to be truly fixed. I, admittedly, have no idea what that is.

martin-t 7 days ago||
The law really should be "if you cause harm to others you will receive 2x greater harm done to you". And "if you profit from harming others, you will compensate them by 2x of what you gained".

Instead of the current maze of case specific laws.

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> But I think something more profound needs to happen for these things to be truly fixed. I, admittedly, have no idea what that is.

You know, you're just unwilling to think it because you've been conditioned not to. It's what always happens when inequality (of income, power, etc.) gets too high.

ddq 6 days ago||
Yes, only 3x rather than 2x. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treble_damages
martin-t 6 days ago||
Y'know, I used to say 1.5-2x, now I lean towards 2x but 3x is actually fine by me too. And for any kind of financial crimes, this should also be divided by the probability of getting caught and convicted.
rightbyte 7 days ago||
> I'm fundamentally a capitalist

Being a capitalist is decided by access to capital not really a belief system.

> But, there really is just too much concentrated wealth in these orgs.

Please make up your mind? Should capital self-accumulate and grant power or not?

Portraying capitalism as some sort of force of nature that one doesn't "know another system that will work better" might be the neoliberals biggest accomplishment.

scubadude 5 days ago||
Isn't this pretty much the main reason AI is being pushed so hard?
lordhumphrey 7 days ago||
The worker-drones powering the software world have so far resolutely not managed to reflect on their primary role in implementing the dystopian technological landscape we live in today, when it comes to privacy.

Or they have and they simply don't care, or they feel they can't change anything anyway, or the pay-check is enough to soothe any unease. The net result is the same.

Snowden's revelations happened 12 years ago, and there were plenty of what appeared to be well-intentioned articles and discussions in the years that followed. And yet, arguably, things are even worse today.

bubblebeard 7 days ago|
While I cannot see a way to effectively stop companies from collecting data from you (aside from avoiding practically everything), that doesn’t mean we should do nothing.

DuckDuckGo aren’t perfect, but I think they do a lot to all our benefit. Theirs have been my search engine of choice for many years and will continue being so.

Shout outs to their amazing team!

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