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Posted by bookofjoe 5 days ago

Removing yellow stains from fabric with blue light(phys.org)
136 points | 81 commentspage 2
N_Lens 2 days ago|
I suppose this also ages the cloth/material given that the color is getting oxidised similar to normal bleaching.
Etheryte 2 days ago|
I would not expect the effects to be in the same ballpark. Bleaching is very harsh, to the point where I wouldn't want to put my hand in a jug of bleach. I could imagine holding my hand up to a strong light. Sure, it might get too hot or too uncomfortable eventually, but at least in my mind, I would expect it to be lesser (so long as we don't talk about a literal deathray lamp).
contrarian1234 2 days ago||
... have you never washed your own clothing?

You don't use concentrated bleach on clothing... You diluted it. It's only provided concentrated for storage convenience

jldavern 2 days ago||
Blueing using blue dyes has been a pretty common laundering technique for whitening clothes for some time https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluing_(fabric)
HelloUsername 1 day ago||
Related? Blue light and bilirubin excretion https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7361112/
AdamH12113 2 days ago||
What intensity is “high-intensity?” The article doesn’t give a number. Is this something that can be done with a few bright LEDs or do you need a specialized lighting array?
klaff 2 days ago||
If you follow the links to the supplementary info it gives you intensity level, for example "The prepared dish was placed in a blue LED irradiation device and irradiated at 1.25 W/cm2 for 3 h."

As a reference, noon sunlight is very roughly 1000 W/m^2 or 0.1 W/cm^2, so this is pretty intense and I suspect would not be eye safe.

See https://pubs.acs.org/doi/suppl/10.1021/acssuschemeng.5c03907....

samzub 2 days ago||
The abstract at https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acssuschemeng.5c03907 mentions a power of 1.25 W/cm2
donperignon 2 days ago||
This is old common knowledge, why this is a paper? Everyone knows that exposing the clothes to the sun cleans many types of stains.
alias_neo 2 days ago||
It's news to me that the sun is blue!

Jokes aside, I suppose it's novel in the sense that it can be achieved with artificial _blue_ light.

My understanding was that it was various forms of UV from the sun that caused "bleaching", whereas the paper points out that it is not UV in this case, and in fact, the UV can cause additional staining.

EDIT: Edited for grammar.

beAbU 2 days ago|||
Tue sun is probably the most powerful blue light you can readily access. There's just a bunch of other colours that come with it.
alias_neo 2 days ago||
Maybe I should have emphasised the word "artificial" rather than the word "blue", the implication was that it's not the only type of blue light, the sun being the obvious one.

The thing about the sun is, you get no light when there's no sun, and some countries don't even get daylight for several months of the year!

blensor 2 days ago|||
I haven't read the paper only looked at the first page with the two sheets, but I think the novel idea here is that it's using complementary colors.

Take a color that is maximally absorbed by the stain and thus get the most energy into it without affecting too much else.

I wonder if that would work with other colors as well.

alias_neo 2 days ago||
It's an interesting idea, and how it would work with colours other than "bleached" would be the interesting part.

Presumably it wouldn't work on black without fading the garment, but given how we've seen things fade in shop windows, I wonder if there's some novel applications for removing other types of intentional "stains" like ink, or paint, and particularly if they're under/behind a surface like a clear-coat or glass or something else that prevents physical access.

blensor 2 days ago||
I wonder if you could remove blue ink with yellow light. Specifically residue from ballpoint pens on furniture.
alias_neo 2 days ago||
That would be an interesting one, I have a strangely related story that not too long ago my toddler drew _all over_ a yellow suede sofa with a blue ballpoint pen, was a nightmare to get it out without making the pristine sofa look like a drowned rat.
Reubachi 2 days ago|||
I am a common "poo-pooer" of bad submissions on here, and comments not in good faith

But this paper taught me something I had no idea about as a 33 year old. Also in the comment chain someone mentioned/brought up using peroxide/sunlight to clear up old yellowed plastics which is....monumental to some of my projects :)

emsign 2 days ago||
Be warned though that retr0brighting is an art. If done unevenly it looks worse than before.
Reubachi 2 days ago||
rushes outside to undo the hasty application/test I did on my old miata soft top plastic

ty, too much coffee this morning

llm_nerd 2 days ago||
Ultraviolet light is ionizing. Things oxidize and often whiten in sun because the UV light (the part of the UV spectrum as you go below ~315nm) ionizes and causes chemical reactions, in most cases by splitting O2 which is then charged O atoms that want to react with things.

445nm light isn't ionizing at any brightness, and shouldn't be catalyzing oxidation. Didn't look at it in detail but what is their claim on mechanism?

oulipo2 2 days ago||
Is there a practical way today to use their findings with stuff we can buy at an hardware store?
donperignon 2 days ago||
Don’t buy anything. Use the sun, for the moment it’s free.
ZeroGravitas 2 days ago|||
Given the bits about UV, using the sun plus a glass window might be better?

I think standard glass blocks UVB and car windscreens often block UVA and UVB.

jama211 2 days ago|||
Or existing oxygen based cleaning products. The sun can cause other damage, it’s a balance
taneliv 2 days ago|||
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45209124 mentions that simply putting the stained cloth under the sun works.
amelius 2 days ago|||
You can buy blue led strips just about everywhere.
delfinom 2 days ago||
Buy some diy flashlight kit. There's an entire community of people that build flashlights for fun and hence a ecosystem of parts.

Then put in the strongest 455mm wavelength diode you can find off Digikey that fits the kit parts.

kragen 2 days ago|||
Haha, 455mm! That's 659MHz, which used to be channel 45 for UHF TVs in the US: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_channel_frequenci... but has it been reallocated to something else like LTE?

https://www.spectrumwiki.com/wiki/display.aspx?f=659000000&l...

unwind 2 days ago|||
*nm, as in nanometers.
ljsprague 2 days ago||
Does it work on sunscreen related orange-ing? i.e. Avobenzone and iron?
amelius 2 days ago||
Nice, but I need to remove coffee stains from like 10 different shirts