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Posted by gidellav 9/8/2025

Anscombe's Quartet(en.wikipedia.org)
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efavdb 9/9/2025|
The example shows that the usual stats aren't enough to pin down the true data. But in practice I imagine / wonder if these stats really are reasonable "sufficient stats" because the probability of seeing data with strong structure is unlikely in most contexts. In other words...

p(data | stats) = p(stats | data) * p(data) / p(stats).

and p(data) is only strong for a "blob / cloud" of points, so when there's some correlation the observed stats tell you that you likely have a blob having some degree of correlation.

aredox 9/9/2025|
>But in practice I imagine / wonder if these stats really are reasonable "sufficient stats" because the probability of seeing data with strong structure is unlikely in most contexts.

We just spent five years since COVID appeared to argue about statistics, with tons of bad analysis of very complicated data fuelling political rage up to this day.

The US health secretary is currently using data with "strong structure" to deny vaccines and to falsely pin down convenient targets for everything from cancer to autism.

throw0101d 9/9/2025||
Thought this would be about the 'other' Anscombe:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._E._M._Anscombe

:)

pablobaz 9/9/2025|
Or:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Anscombe

:-)

bluesmoon 9/9/2025||
I did a talk on Cognitive Biases in performance measurement and included Anscombe's Quartet (among other things) in the section on developer bias: https://speakerdeck.com/bluesmoon/we-love-speed-understandin...
ryukoposting 9/9/2025||
I do STEM mentoring for high school kids. Bookmarking this, because it'll be a great teaching aid at some point.
INGELRII 9/9/2025||
Always visualize first. Human 'eyballing' is a good pattern detector.

Linear correlation is just one pattern the data can have.

Unfortunately many social science publications have reviewers who know only the basics and can't judge or accept statistically valid analysis that is outside their competence. Fit it into line or nothing.

WhitneyLand 9/9/2025||
This reminds that “visualize while thinking” will probably become an important part of reasoning as we move closer to AGI models.

This will require improvements to vision models, RL frameworks, etc, but will be interesting to see how much it can broaden current abilities.

curtisszmania 9/9/2025|
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