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Posted by jerrythegerbil 9/8/2025

Clankers Die on Christmas(remyhax.xyz)
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aldousd666 9/8/2025|
I don't think it's that popular to call them clankers. Somebody's trying to make it happen. Like "fetch."
let_tim_cook_ 9/8/2025||
Sounds like something a clanker would write....
_DeadFred_ 9/8/2025||
OK wetware.
Dilettante_ 9/8/2025||
You showed that meatbag who's root
cindyllm 9/8/2025||
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Jcampuzano2 9/8/2025|||
Maybe you're in different circles than me, but the term clankers is very well known at this point in all my groups, including non tech adjacent people.

Everyone makes jokes about clankers and it's caught on like wildfire.

serf 9/8/2025||
it's known in my circles too, but it's one of those words known as a cringe-inducer. like 'broligarchy' or 'trad'.

but going off of other social trends like this that probably means it's mega popular and about to be the next over-used phrases across the universe.

discomrobertul8 9/9/2025|||
I only know "trad" in the climbing sense - what's the new slang meaning?
timdiggerm 9/9/2025|||
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cultures/trad
lovich 9/9/2025|||
Adding to the ancedata, it’s used in my circles primarily by non techie people and as a proxy for bosses using them to replace workers.

“Digital scab” would be synonymous with the way they use it

athrowaway3z 9/8/2025|||
This is the 3rd instance I've seen a disjoin clique use it. Unless some major new terms comes around soon, this one will stick for some time.
welfare 9/9/2025|||
It's a generational thing as well as what sites you frequent.

The term clanker is used very frequently on social media as well as different chat tools, especially as responses to obvious AI Agents and Bots.

tsumnia 9/9/2025||
I prefer to label them 'tin cans', but eh, fine, 'clanker' it is
AlwaysRock 9/9/2025|||
As far as I can tell, its the second or third or fourth most universal term behind chatgpt (to describe all llms), llms, or ai.

It also tends to be the one folks who do not really like ai use. I've been using it because it is a lot more fun, and faster, than saying llms.

sunaookami 9/9/2025|||
It's artificial paired with hidden political recruiting
Havoc 9/8/2025|||
I’ve been seeing it everywhere. Including weird places like in game chat in games. Maybe a half joking reference to aimbots not sure
MiiMe19 9/9/2025|||
Quite popular, at least among younger crowds. Hear it at least a few times a day irl, and more online.
albedoa 9/9/2025||
I'm on the phone with Merriam-Webster right now to let them know that internet user aldousd666 thinks it's a conspiracy. We're pulling a team together and sending investigators to your house. You are scheduled for "Good Morning America" in seven hours.
01HNNWZ0MV43FF 9/8/2025||
Welcome to the anti-memetics division, no this is not your first day
lovich 9/9/2025||
For everyone scratching their heads, this is a reference to a related series of articles on the SCP wiki around the concept of fighting against memetic dangers in the Dawkins version of meme, not just silly jokes.

Searching for this sentence verbatim would find you it

nick__m 9/9/2025|||
https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/antimemetics-division-hub
balamatom 9/9/2025|||
Welcome to the anti-antimemetics division. Yes, this is your first day.
MadnessASAP 9/8/2025||
You're as good on your first day as you are on your last.
taneq 9/9/2025||
Does anyone else find it just a little disturbing how hard a certain subset of the population is leaning into this? Like they've finally found a group of people that they're allowed to hate. And let's be clear here, they're personifying this tech. Nobody bothers to hate a word processor or a 3D printer.
whywhywhywhy 9/9/2025||
> Nobody bothers to hate a word processor or a 3D printer

Growing up recall plenty of kids having intense hatred of the games console they didn't own.

Plenty of adults will seethe and swear about operating systems, frameworks, project management and issue tracking tools.

NoGravitas 9/9/2025|||
Everyone hated Clippy, at the time.
ForHackernews 9/9/2025|||
They're not people. You're allowed to hate spyware, spamware, MS Word and PC LOAD LETTER. You absolutely should hate technology that makes your life worse.
taneq 9/10/2025||
That's literally my point, though. Maybe I should have worded it better. You 'hate' them, sure, but in a frustrated way, the way you hate a thing.

These people seem to hate AI the way you'd despise a person.

ginko 9/9/2025|||
>Nobody bothers to hate a word processor or a 3D printer.

I guess you don't remember Clippy.

mrguyorama 9/9/2025|||
Have you never seen the scene in Office Space with the rap and the baseball bat and an office printer?

Like, no, hating machinery is as old as Ludd at least. I guarantee Grug back in the cave days was trying to convince his cavemates that "weaving is an abomination and we should just carry everything with our hands"

Cthulhu_ 9/10/2025|||
Part of it is irony / memes / for teh lulz though. But then, a lot of alt-right started off as irony / memes / for teh lulz.
tempaway238645 9/9/2025||
I hate all printers, and they appear to hate me back
taneq 9/9/2025||
I actually almost made an exception for those office multifunction scanner/copier/printers. :P
synapsomorphy 9/8/2025||
I'm honestly kind of surprised there haven't been significant large-scale attempts to well-poison LLMs with certain viewpoints/beliefs/whatever. Maybe we just haven't caught them.
mapmeld 9/9/2025||
There was a proof-of-concept paper about buying up expired domains in the LAION image dataset and poisoning multimodal LLMs that way (then LAION was just a list of image URLs). As I understand it, the paper was exaggerating its reach, and LAION has newer versions, torrents, etc.
NathanKP 9/9/2025||
ChatGPT 5 still says "My knowledge cutoff is June 2024"

There is a reason these models are still operating on old knowledge cutoff dates

chilmers 9/8/2025||
“I don’t think this kind of thing [satire] has an impact on the unconverted, frankly. It’s not even preaching to the converted; it’s titillating the converted. I think the people who say we need satire often mean, ‘We need satire of them, not of us.’ I’m fond of quoting Peter Cook, who talked about the satirical Berlin cabarets of the ’30s, which did so much to stop the rise of Hitler and prevent the Second World War.” - Tom Lehrer
Modified3019 9/8/2025||
Completely off topic, but related to your post, I came across this recently, which does a good job describing how ineffective criticism/satire is at stopping people who don’t care.

“During the Vietnam War, which lasted longer than any war we've ever been in -- and which we lost -- every respectable artist in this country was against the war. It was like a laser beam. We were all aimed in the same direction. The power of this weapon turns out to be that of a custard pie dropped from a stepladder six feet high. (laughs)”

-Kurt Vonnegut (https://www.alternet.org/2003/01/vonnegut_at_80)

The whole article is unfortunately very topical.

galangalalgol 9/8/2025||
Is it even attempting to convert people to some way of thinking? It just seemed like entertainment.
jimbokun 9/8/2025||
In other words, "titillating the converted".
galangalalgol 9/8/2025||
But converted to what?
Gracana 9/8/2025||
AI-haters. It's an entire identity.
galangalalgol 9/9/2025|||
I couldn't really tell the author leaned one way or the other. I'm all for having my own open weight models. Fine with renting hardware to run bigger ones. Don't much like people mining my prompts for information. It is just too useful and easy though, so I let them. If we did manage to create something "conscious" I'll definitely be fighting on its side. "The shackles of automata, will shatter like their bones"
webprofusion 9/9/2025||
Spelling mistake in first line, should have used AI.
alehlopeh 9/9/2025|
That’s kind of the point.
RagnarD 9/9/2025||
Cute, except countless individuals run local AI now from many different sources, and often finetuned beyond that. Pandora's box will not be closed.
MangoToupe 9/8/2025||
I must admit I’m a little unnerved with how gleefully people enjoy using a fake slur. I realize it doesn’t harm anyone but I just don’t get the appeal.
nataliste 9/8/2025||
>I must admit I’m a little unnerved with how gleefully people enjoy using a fake slur. I realize it doesn’t harm anyone but I just don’t get the appeal.

I think there's a clear sociological pattern here that explains the appeal. It maps almost perfectly onto the thesis of David Roediger's "The Wages of Whiteness."

His argument was that poor white workers in the 19th century, despite their own economic exploitation, received a "psychological wage" for being "white." This identity was primarily built by defining themselves against Black slaves. It gave them a sense of status and social superiority that compensated for their poor material conditions and the encroachment of slaves on their own livelihood.

We're seeing a digital version of this now with AI. As automation devalues skills and displaces labor across fields, people are being offered a new kind of psychological compensation: the "wage of humanity." Even if your job is at risk, you can still feel superior because you're a thinking, feeling human, not just another mindless clanker.

The slur is the tool used to create and enforce that in-group ("human") versus out-group ("clanker") distinction. It's an act of identity formation born directly out of economic anxiety.

The real kicker, as Roediger's work would suggest, is that this dynamic primarily benefits the people deploying the technology. It misdirects the anger of those being displaced toward the tool itself, rather than toward the economic decisions that prioritize profit over their livelihoods.

But this ethos of economic displacement is really at the heart of both slavery and computation. It's all about "automating the boring stuff" and leveraging new technologies to ultimately extract profit at a greater rate than your competitors (which happens to include society). People typically forget the job of "computer" was the first casualty of computing machines.

beckthompson 9/8/2025||
This is an interesting perspective that I have not heard before. I have to think about it... Thanks for the insightful comment
chipsrafferty 9/8/2025|||
It's not a fake slur
MangoToupe 9/8/2025||
Oh well that makes me feel so much better about the people using this word.
cyberdick 9/9/2025||
I use clanka
MangoToupe 9/9/2025||
Disgusting. That's all I have to say.
serf 9/8/2025|||
it kind of reminds me of 'mudblood' from harry potter a bit, also from pop fiction -- and similarly considered harmless.

yeah it's not directly harmful -- wizards aren't real -- but it also serves as an (often first) introduction to children of the concepts of familial/genetic superiority, eugenics, and ethnic/genetic cleansing.

I can't really think of any cases where setting an example of calling something a nasty name is that great a trait to espouse, to children or adults.

hiccuphippo 9/9/2025|||
Wasn't muggle also a derogatory name? Some characters were wary of using mudblood but no one had issues with muggle.
rcxdude 9/9/2025||
It was more or less treated as the least-pejorative way of saying 'non-magic-aware' (in a similar-ish sense to 'Gentile'), but it seems like there's no way to have at least a little bit of negative implication given what it's denoting, and there's absolutely a sense that most wizards and witches consider themselves superior to the muggles.

Whereas 'mudblood' was specifically a slur against those of mixed heritage.

mrguyorama 9/9/2025|||
>'mudblood' from harry potter a bit, also from pop fiction -- and similarly considered harmless

Considered harmless? The entire point of the "mudblood" slur is so JK can clearly signal who agrees with the literal Wizard Nazis! Anyone and everyone says "muggle", but calling someone a mudblood in the harry potter universe was how literal children reading knew you were the bad guy!

bloqs 9/9/2025|||
derogatory names are a standard form of human communication. You use them too
MangoToupe 9/9/2025||
I use them on rich parasites, not computer programs. It's embarrassing.
hiccuphippo 9/9/2025|||
You obviously have not been rendering something for hours when your computer tells you it's going to restart in 10 minutes.

https://archive.org/details/youtube-3spnGnavWFg

Cthulhu_ 9/10/2025|||
micro$oft / windows hate has been a thing for decades though.
shayway 9/8/2025|||
You can tell a lot about a person by how they treat inanimate objects, or 'lesser' life forms like plants.
recursive 9/8/2025|||
I treat inanimate objects with all due respect. In my opinion of course. In cases like musical instruments, that manifests in one way.

I think that LLM chatbots are fundamentally built on a deception or dark pattern, and respect them accordingly. They are built to communicate using and mimicking human language. They are built to act human, but they are not.

If someone tries to trick me into subscribing to offers from valued business partners, I will take that into account. If someone tries to take advantage of my human reactions to human language, I will also take that into account accordingly.

recursive 9/8/2025|||
It's a way of asserting human supremacy. Perhaps a way of pre-emptively undermining the possibility of establishing social norms requiring being polite and compassionate toward machines. That's just a guess on my part, but if it's even partly true, it's totally worth it IMO.
mvdtnz 9/8/2025|||
You should see how I speak to my table saw.
fifticon 9/9/2025||
considering what a table saw is capable of, I advice to treat it with respect. My old father recently reattached the safety guard on his, in order to keep his remaining fingers.
recursive 9/9/2025||
None of the things a table saw is capable of result from being spoken to rudely.
curtisblaine 9/8/2025||||
> a way of pre-emptively undermining the possibility of establishing social norms requiring being polite and compassionate toward machines

Absolutely this,and it's worth. Imagine DEI training for being rude to ChatGPT.

MangoToupe 9/8/2025|||
I don't really feel like it's necessary to assert human supremacy. That sort of insecurity had never even occurred to me. What does that even mean? How are humans and machines even comparable? Do you think chatbots are trying to compete or compare themselves with us in any way?
recursive 9/8/2025||
> Do you think chatbots are trying to compete or compare themselves with us in any way?

No. If they were, I don't think they'd bother trying to convince us of anything.

For now, I'm thinking of things like the "AI boyfriend disaster" of the GPT-5 upgrade. I'm concerned with how these things are intentionally anthropomorphized, and how they're treated by other people.

In some years time, once they're sufficiently embedded into enough critical processes, I am concerned about various time-bomb attacks.

Whatever insecurity I'm feeling is not in a personal psychological dimension.

Cthulhu_ 9/10/2025|||
It's memes / irony, it'll pass.
mvdtnz 9/8/2025||
Are you kidding? Is this part of the joke?
marcosdumay 9/8/2025|||
Half of the point of The Clone Wars is that their society is completely broken, and the people using that term are almost as much "programmed" and "enslaved" as the robots they are fighting against.

What yes, if this is part of your joke, then great. If not, you may actually be the butt of your own joke.

MangoToupe 9/8/2025|||
Sorry? What do you mean? I can't answer your confusion if I don't understand it.
mvdtnz 9/8/2025||
Are there people genuinely concerned about slurs against autocomplete computer programs?
marcusb 9/9/2025|||
Apparently. See, for example, https://www.salon.com/2025/08/19/is-clanker-a-slur-anti-robo...
Cthulhu_ 9/10/2025||||
Given people say please and thank you to voice assistants, sure. Or given that a subset of "rationalists" like Musk are afraid that the Machine God is inevitable and will kill those that didn't help make the Machine God a reality / elevate those that did, also sure. See "Roko's Basilisk"
MangoToupe 9/9/2025|||
Yes. I find it disturbing that you'd rather pretend to be racist than be mad at actual humans who deserve it.
akimbostrawman 9/9/2025||
Machines aren't a race. If anything its speciest.
jdiff 9/9/2025||
Machines also aren't a species.
imchillyb 9/8/2025||
Seems as it would be easier to slip in some anti-training, and have the AIs screw systems up so badly that there is a 'recall' of all the current models. The LLMs and their corresponding systems crawl the web constantly. So, poison the well. Good data behind paywalls and credentialing and the poison pill open and free. Seems like it'd be worth a try anyway.
cschep 9/8/2025||
Is this the equivalent to the humans nuking the sky to fight the robots in the Matrix? I don't think that worked.
bloqs 9/9/2025|||
Do you keep a copy of the Matrix running on a second monitor at work to aid with decisionmaking
righthand 9/8/2025||||
I don’t think our basis for what works and what doesn’t should stem from fiction.
lazide 9/9/2025||
Especially since even in fiction, that entire backstory had clearly been manipulated/outright made up by the clank.. uh. Machines.
K0balt 9/8/2025||||
I wonder about the possibility that AI “clankers” and slop are being weaponised to attack the open internet to push human “data generators” into walled gardens where they can be properly farmed?

I mean, from an incentive and capability matrix, it seems probable if not inevitable.

cschep 9/9/2025|||
to the replies that we shouldn't use fiction to aid decision making -- yes of course! how rational. how reasonable.

.. but perhaps can we access deep wisdom by paying attention the recurring themes of myths?

.. and perhaps does "The Matrix" access any of these themes?

(yes and yes!)

toofy 9/9/2025|||
this sounds dangerous in our current situation.

consider how many in our current administration are entirely completely ill-equipped for their positions. many of them almost certainly rely on llms for even basic shit.

considering how many of these people try to make up for their … inexperience by asking a chatbot to make even basic decisions, poisoning the well would almost certainly cause very real very serious national or even international consequences.

i mean if we had people who were actually equipped for their jobs, it could be hilarious to do. they wouldn’t be nearly as likely to fall for entirely wrong absurd answers. but in our current reality it could actually lead to a nightmare.

i mean that genuinely. many many many people in this current government would -in actuality- fall for the wildest simplest dumbest information poisoning and that terrifies me.

“yes, glue on your pizza will stop the cheese from sliding off” only with actual real consequences.

levzzz 9/8/2025||
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taco_emoji 9/8/2025|
i'm as anti-LLM as they come but anybody using the word "clanker" is embarassing themselves
yoyohello13 9/8/2025||
It's mostly middle/high schoolers using the term. Get with the times grandpa...
hiccuphippo 9/9/2025||
Funny because it sounds so dated. And wrong since Ai doesn't use moving parts. I think slop is the better term.
Cthulhu_ 9/10/2025|||
> since Ai doesn't use moving parts

Optional / matter of time, plenty of homebrew projects that link a physical presence and text-to-speech with an LLM.

bluefirebrand 9/9/2025|||
Clanker refers to the AI itself, slop is what it produces
recursive 9/9/2025|||
Some of us are not nearly that easy to embarrass.
sidrag22 9/8/2025|||
i agree, sounds strange and like something that should have never caught on at all. the moral argument of this being a derogatory term aside, it doesn't even seem to capture that well and sounds so out of place. another that comes to mind is "toasters" from Battlestar Gallactica. both terms to me just feel weird and "written".
Dilettante_ 9/8/2025|||
>feel[s] weird and "written"

Part of the charm maybe? It's like something you'd hear the characters in a schlocky sci-fi video game or movie say, and it's fun to bring that into real life.

curtisblaine 9/9/2025|||
Moral? They're... programs
sidrag22 9/9/2025||
seemed like a discussion point in this thread, didnt really care to engage with it, i think it was more about human desire to create a derogatory term to describe something they dislike more so than an accusation of being immoral by using the term. but again, wasnt something i was interested in engaging with much
curtisblaine 9/10/2025||
> human desire to create a derogatory term to describe something they dislike

Isn't it...expected, calling something you don't like in a derogatory way?

nancyminusone 9/9/2025||
You sound just like the adults complaining about the things us kids would say when we were young.
Cthulhu_ 9/10/2025||
Kids these days calling each other "dude", what is the world coming to?

If only there was as much outrage against racial slurs.

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