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Posted by ktosobcy 6 days ago

I have left Branch and am no longer involved with Nova Launcher(teslacoilapps.com)
227 points | 103 commentspage 2
selcuka 5 days ago|
I don't fully understand the situation. This statement [1] seems to indicate that Nova doesn't have to open-source it:

> Cliff: Branch owns Nova completely and Kevin has no access to it in any way at all. So no, he can't re-brand, keep coding and go forward. That's a breach of contract on his behalf.

...but this post says they are obligated to:

> Cliff: Much more to it than word of mouth. There's a contract as well.

[1] https://infosec.exchange/@cliffwade/115168015274422682

croes 5 days ago|
Branch being obliged to open source it, doesn’t mean Kevin could simply took matters into his own hands

Two breaches of contract don‘t make a right

selcuka 5 days ago||
I'm not saying he should. Just trying to understand the issue.

Apparently there are two conflicting contracts (or two sections within one contract), and Branch is counting on the fact that Branch can go after Kevin but Kevin can't/won't. Or maybe the contract is clear, but Kevin just doesn't want to burn the ships.

croes 5 days ago||
They aren’t conflicting.

Branch is obliged to open source the Launcher.

That’s it.

An employee of a company just isn’t allowed to do it on his own.

If a company refuses to pay a bill that it should pay, then one of its accountants cannot simply transfer money.

selcuka 5 days ago||
That makes sense, thanks.
suprjami 5 days ago||
Guess it's time to find a new launcher then. Suggestions?
jayknight 5 days ago||
I've been using lawnchair, and I like it's simplicity. They're latest "real" released version is from 2018, but not long ago they jumped from Version 14-beta3 to 15-beta1. I can't say I understand their development philosophy, but the product is pretty decent with an occasional issue. I have had some intermittent problems with widgets on this latest beta.

https://github.com/LawnchairLauncher/lawnchair

spiffytech 5 days ago||
I've been using Lawnchair 14 for a while now and it works well. I'm looking forward to some of the features in v15, but no complaints.
saltcured 5 days ago|||
Everyone has different needs, so all these recommendations without any explanation are frustrating.

My reason to use Nova before was:

- REMOVE search bar from home screen, unlike the Pixel launcher

- Have the usual, customizable row of quick launchers across the bottom

- Have basic app drawer and background apps gestures pull up from bottom

- Add a couple basic widgets like Calendar and clock to home screen, or other app shortcuts

- Minimal permissions, no ads, no network-based features

Based on this, I just started trying out Fossify Launcher Beta, installed from F-Droid. It seems OK so far. My only complaint is that there seem to be multiple gestures that open up a Launcher menu, and I wish this was limited to just long press on the home screen background.

toast0 5 days ago|||
Fossify Launcher looks to fit my needs, maybe. I can't see how to make the app list a button instead of having to drag up (I am anti-gesture. The only gesture I want to make in connection with a computer is obscene)

Also having some issues getting widgets on there... But Android is Android, so I'm sure it's not Fossify Launcher's fault, I had the widget I wanted and then I removed it cause I wanted a different size, and it won't add again. A restart will probably help. (Spoiler: it didn't)

Would also be nice if I could make widgets 2.5 columns wide. I like a 5 wide screen, but I want two widgets to share the screen width.

saltcured 4 days ago||
Yeah I resisted gestures but gave up when I found that enabling legacy nav buttons seemed to make things unreliable for me. Maybe when I first switched to Nova?

I also noticed that the widget editing is a bit clumsy with resizing on Fossify Launcher. It seems like there is some hidden state where long-press doesn't quite work the same way after some interaction. But I was able make progress after going through several other interactions like opening the menu via back gesture from home screen, locking and unlocking the screen, etc.

I don't know if it is Android or the launcher itself that makes the widget sizing so annoying. It seems to have a different bounding box for the resizing tool than what is actually rendered, so I end up with way more dead space around the widgets than I wanted.

izacus 5 days ago|||
Lawnchair sounds like a good fit for you then.
saltcured 4 days ago||
Where do you install it from, and is it privacy focused?

I saw a prerelease one on Play Store that said it would do extra feedback telemetry. I bailed at that point and didn't look further.

_DeadFred_ 5 days ago|||
I like Niagra.

I'm bummed Sesame got bought by these guys and stopped updating for no ultimate reason.

grepex 5 days ago|||
Kvaesitso! I've been using it for about two years. It takes a little bit getting used to a search based launcher but once you've gotten used to it, everything is so quick. Speed up animation speeds to 0.5x in dev settings and man it's like doing kung fu with your finger tips.

https://kvaesitso.mm20.de/

lawn 5 days ago||
I was initially dismissing Kvaesitso because it was so different but I've since come to appreciate and really enjoy it.

I'd recommend you to at least try it for a while before you slam down the opinionated hammer.

rpdillon 5 days ago|||
Long time KISS user. Highly recommend, as it makes my app use far more intentional.
arcanemachiner 5 days ago|||
Same, I think I've been using it for like a decade now.

I like that I have to consciously type in who j app I want to open. Prevents me from spacing out and opening reddit out of pure habit.

rpdillon 5 days ago||
A million times this. Getting rid of the grid of icons changes everything! I can also find specific apps really fast.
branon 5 days ago|||
Seconded, KISS is great, haven't found anything better
wonger_ 5 days ago|||
I've been using the ultra-minimal pie menu launcher for ~1 year: https://f-droid.org/packages/de.markusfisch.android.pielaunc...

Makes opening go-to apps faster, but opening anything else slower. Worth it imo

onli 5 days ago||
I use that one as well and really like it. Exactly what pie menus are good at.
lillesvin 5 days ago|||
I've been using the super minimalistic 0launcher (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=app.olauncher&...) for about a year now.

Besides being a good, very simple, minimalistic launcher, it's also Open Source (https://github.com/tanujnotes/Olauncher), ad-free, and collects and shares no data.

ignoramous 5 days ago|||
> collects and shares no data

If the developer is building the code that's on GitHub, it is curious why AppGoblin flags the Play Store version for using Firebase: https://appgoblin.info/apps/app.olauncher/data-flows

tanujnotes 5 days ago||
[Olauncher dev here] There's no Firebase integration in the Olauncher and never was. It literally collects no data. The releases on the Play Store, F-Droid and Github releases [APK] are all built from the same codebase, which is available on Github. Not sure why it's flagged.
wltr 5 days ago|||
I use the better fork: Olauncher CF. Simple and Clutter-Free Android launcher, https://github.com/OlauncherCF/OlauncherCF
lillesvin 5 days ago||
That looks neat. I don't remember ever seeing any ads in the original though, so I'm a bit confused about what they removed. Regardless, having the choice is always good.
wltr 5 days ago||
It has some extra features added, plus unnecessary ones removed, but I won’t recall the difference, since I use the fork for years (four or five, if I’m correct). I’m just pointing out this fork is worth anyone’s attention, it’s easy to compare by installing the two.
t0bia_s 5 days ago|||
https://kisslauncher.com/

Once you get used to it, you'll never get back to classic launchers.

qustrolabe 5 days ago||
Probably good for people who use like 3-5 apps at most on their phone, but I prefer grids of icons with folders
wingmanjd 4 days ago|||
FWIW, I also use KISS and I have a lot installed, maybe close to 100.

I really like the intentionality of what I launch, and I find the "search for app" faster than folders.

t0bia_s 4 days ago|||
You can do folders via tags as well.
fcpk 5 days ago|||
Any recommendations for a launcher close to the original android one, but that supports grouping? I find it so much more useful to group my apps by category. I use search most of the time, but sometimes I can't remember a name but I do remember the category and it comes useful. Also means recently apps are unclassified and can easily be separated.
ajot 5 days ago||
I use NeoLauncher for this same reason: sometimes I don't remember the name of whatever app I use once in a while (eg WLANScanner or Ning).

It's available on IzzyOnDroid, though I installed the GitHub release. It does have some bugs, every now and then it freezes and you need to go to the Apps submenu in Configuration to restart it.

https://github.com/NeoApplications/Neo-Launcher

flax 5 days ago|||
I looked at several yesterday. I landed on Action Launcher because it has a scrollable dock and infinite scrolling homepages. It lacks tabs in the app drawer, but it does let you create folders there.

Hyperion seemed to have all necessary features, but the UI was unintuitive and the documentation non-existent.

I also liked Lynx, but that would be a major change for me.

jdmichal 5 days ago|||
I use Square Home. Because I still miss my Lumia 920, and this makes me feel a little better about it.
calgoo 5 days ago||
Same here, Square Home. I really liked the tiled interface for mobile (was crap for Windows). Tiles just feel natural for touch input.
calgoo 5 days ago|||
I use Square Home which looks like the old Microsoft tiles in windows 8 phone. I always found the the MS tiles worked really well on a phone and actually had it installed on a old android phone.
Scene_Cast2 5 days ago||
I like Lynx launcher, and would switch to Kvaesito if Lynx wasn't available.
grepex 5 days ago||
I had not heard of Lynx, but I am a big fan of Kvaesitso. Looks like I'll need to give Lynx a try!

https://www.lynxlauncher.de/

alwahi 5 days ago||
Nova is really good and I used it for a long time. I think it was the first launcher I purchased.

It sucks and there is nothing anyone can do really, but maybe you'd consider making a brand new launcher?

tetris11 4 days ago||
Ive been rocking Trebuchet for several years, no complaints

Edit: Oh I just got the name, it's a "launcher"

punitvthakkar 5 days ago||
The first app I ever paid for, even when I didn't have any money to pay for apps. Miss you, Nova Launcher.
mdrzn 3 days ago||
Started using this on a Samsung S2, now still using it on a Samsung S24. I'll miss this launcher.
maxglute 5 days ago||
Any other launcher that lets you use a PNG / image file as your icon? Apart from action launcher. Getting png icons from icons8 god send in having reasonably consistent home screen.
elvircrn 5 days ago||
Been using this since my Galaxy S3 days and is currently installed on my Nothing 2A. The switch will be painful.
andai 5 days ago||
So the author gave away the rights for the thing he invented, for some reason, and the new owner killed it?
glonq 5 days ago|
I've been buying/using/loving Nova for years. Gonna be tough to ditch it.