I’m personally very glad that Signal finally implemented this. It’s been such a short sighted strategy to promote itself like a mass market messaging platform while not allowing people to keep, move and restore memories.
Since it’s opt-in, those who don’t want it don’t have to use it. They’re well served by the self-destructing message timers in chats.
Keep doing voluntary donations and wait for rich people to throw 50mil at it again?
They didn't screw over anyone, for the past 8 years Signal was and remains free for everyone.
That service is not mandatory and didn't even exist before, so who exactly is screwed over?
Also, let me know where me and my friends can sign up on your particular matrix instance. What's your ToS anyway?
I also just learned that you can still backup without a subscription. That's great!
> Also, let me know where me and my friends can sign up on your particular matrix instance. What's your ToS anyway?
I said that was my personal solution and not an alternative to centralized platforms.
It‘s my fucking data!
(I‘m on iOS)
Backups: Encrypted on device. Key stays on device. Server has access to ciphertext.
Yapyaps: Is the backup a backdoor?
What issues? The only issue I've seen with Signal and media files, was on iOS, where users aren't able to download them (copy them outside the signal app).
https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/10135
https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/13098
Not that my experience invalidates that of people who have had problems, just sharing to say that the problems haven't been universal.
On Android I tap on the image in chat, 3 dots and save. Way more involved on iOS. But at least I'll be able to point this out to my iOS peers.
You can hold down on the media, and after about a second it brings up a menu where one of the options is "Save", you tap this and it will be saved to your camera roll (ie open Photos app to see it). If it's a message with multiple photos/videos, you so the same thing and all of them will be downloaded at the same time.
Or instead of holding down to get the context menu, you can tap once to open full screen view of the media which has the iOS "share" button in the bottom left, which you can use if you either want to just save one thing from a message that had multiple photos/videos, or if instead of saving to the default place - it's the standard iOS share function, so you can choose from "save to photos" (ie a the default like above), or "save to files" (accessible from the iOS file manager or from other apps), or share directly to a different app (like an email client, or an FTP client if you have one installed, or to an app like DropBox, or any other app you have that supports the OS-wide share menu).
TLDR: The help page you linked to, the top part of that iOS section (that makes it seem complicated) is just explaining how to find an overview of all previously shared media for a contact/group, and then download from there, but you don't need to do that to download it if you're already looking at what you want to download in the main chat window. The bottom part on that page is my second option from above, which is basically identical to what you say about how to do it on Android - just 3 touches (press image, press 3 dots on Android or share icon on iOS, then press save image). But it's actually the more complicated way, with a 2 touch option available (hold down on image, then press "save" :)
(p.s. to any Signal devs reading this, if you'd like to offer a free backups subscription in return for me continuing to evangelise, or beta testing on my iPhone... feel free to reach out :P
And, although personally I'm more keen on the future feature or backing up either to iCloud or to my own server, may I make a suggestion that, if paying for you to backup media, I'd prefer to be able to pay for a "family" plan - as I've moved several family members onto Signal and would like to be able to gift them free backups rather than tell them all to start paying. I suspect I'm not the only person who would think an option to share storage with 5 or more family/friends would be worth paying a bit more than your current single-account price.)
Signal is one of the few "privacy-first" services. But it is not just about privacy, it is also about having as many users as possible, which is actually important for privacy. If only people who really have "something to hide", then just using the app makes you a target. If instead it is used by millions of people for grocery shopping and dinner planning, then whoever really needs the privacy features will not stand out. The third is, of course, making money, because, of course, none of that is free.
That's why features like backups are important. Many people want them, maybe not you, but Signal is not just for you, it also makes money. By the way, that's also the reason why there are some privacy compromises, like contact discovery and the use of phone numbers, because they feel like done right, it is worth it. Note that have partially addressed both of these problems.
And while I’m here, if you’re implying that Signal is Blut trustworthy, you should step out of the HN bubble and have a look around what everyone and their dog shares through less secure means
I don't feel like backing these up manually; it's a computer, and its job is to do tedious, repetitive, easy-to-forget tasks so I don't have to.